EO Responds To
Emails 01-11-09
(EMAIL) David Cloud, I challenge you to a text debate on eternal security. You can read of it on our web site in more detail www.evangelicaloutreach.org/davidclouddebatechallenge.htm
The Bible does NOT teach eternal security.
Following Jesus,
Dan Corner
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(EMAIL) why are we humans calling satan lucifer? that name came from the sun? second how did the sons of god get the human ladys pregnant in what form were the sons of god in where did the sperm come from they were angelics not human? some one give me a real answere... no pastor as of yet can answere this not one?from an angel to fathering kids in an instant how i thought god made man ? these are questions that keep me away from going to church i still belieave in jesus for ever but come on and why was ENOCHS LIFE IN THE BIBLE CUT SO SHORT/ AND THE NOT TOLD EVENTS ABOUT CHRIST BLOODLINE? please if its 4-real write back if not dont waste your time this is a problem im fighting with in my soul i need to know soon then later.
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
You have asked questions that are NOT clearly answered in the Bible. Hence, no person can give you a concise accurate answer to them. What you need for your “soul” is not answers to those questions, but spiritual life. The only way to get spiritual life is to make the Lord Jesus the king, master, boss and Lord of your life. You must put off the way you are living now and radically be changed by God’s power. Sincerely ask God for mercy and forgiveness. Turn from your idols to serve the true and living God. God doesn’t want you to be damned to hell, but you will be, unless you change. If you do these things you will find rest for your “soul.”
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GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) Can you as a believer in Christ stop sinning ? to the point you can\’t remember how long it\’s been since you sinned last This is a serious question.! Thank you God Bless
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
It depends what you consider “sin.” People who talk that way usually don’t think worry, not being completely humble and gentle and not overflowing with thanksgiving are sins. We consider them and similar things sins, but not sins that lead to death. All sins are not the same in their effect on our souls. Some sins are greater than others (Jn. 19:11). One type is eternal (Mk. 3:29), while others are not. Another type of sin is uniquely against our bodies, while other sins are outside our bodies (1 Cor. 6:18). 1 Jn. 5:16 declares there is a sin that does not lead to death while there is a sin that leads to death. Sins such as worry (Phil. 4:6), unthankfulness (Col. 2:7, 3:15; Lk. 17:11-18) and not being completely humble and gentle (Eph. 4:2) are not included in any of the lists of sins that will send people to the lake of fire, even if they were once saved. However, other sins certainly will send any person to hell if they die unrepentant, even a person who was once saved. (See 1 Cor. 6:9,10; Rev. 21:8; Gal. 5:19-21; Eph. 5:5,6; Jude 7; Rev. 22:15; etc.).
Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, “The Believer’s Conditional Security.” There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/whatsnew.htm This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written. Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) How sad to have such a shepherd. I would fire a shepherd that would lose any of His sheep. I praise my Lord that He is a good shepherd.
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
What Bible verse says to be a good shepherd he must stop the sheep from having free will, as you imply? What Scripture teaches the qualification of a good shepherd, such as what the Lord Jesus is, means the sheep can not wander off and die spiritually? Why does the good shepherd tell the sheep to hold on, to continue, to endure, to follow, etc.? Why are you trying to defend a doctrine of demons called eternal security with a flimsy argument rather than repenting of your own wickedness and contending AGAINST the “grace” changers? GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) I am going to say it once and for all stop driving new Christians out of Gods eternal resting place and driving them back into the world and causing them to sin. Because you are not secure in your own salvation. So you want to ruin it for those who believe in eternal security. Go ahead help Satan in having a field Day ruining their Peace, so they cant go on and do what God has called them to do. Until you stay up all night and Pray that Christ may be Formed in them you have no right mixing up Scriptures to try and whip these new Creatures into Shape. You cannot ruin what God has started in these Christians lives. Let me ask you something when you sin, is it willful sinning or did you just slip. How do you Know how to go to 1 john 1:9 to ask for forgivness if you didn\’t willfully sin. Many people are giving up and staying in the World because of you people. Don’t you think Romans 10:9-10 would have mentioned add some legalism in there to make sure they stayed saved. And don’t tell me they didn’t mix faith in there when they Confessed Jesus as their Savior. FAITH COMES BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD. So next time somebody says they didn\’t mix their Faith together with their confession your right, they now Have saving Faith that comes by hearing you preach the message to them to get saved. Please stop drawing them away as the Holy Ghost draws them to the Fathers Heart. Don’t be a double son of Hell. Let these Christians in and rest.
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
You must have us confused with some once saved always saved (Calvinist) ministry. Our message is holiness, faithfulness to God and endurance for salvation. The ones who are murdering the new converts are the grace changers who teach you can be a drunkard, liar, thief, adulterer, murderer, witch and hindu and still have salvation because of a past moment of regeneration. They are the ones, who are helping Satan and damning souls with their false gospel and counterfeit grace message. We also help new converts in the Christian life with true teachings like this one http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/newconverts.htm
When people “give up,” they didn’t get that from us. We stress the opposite, as did Paul (Gal. 6:7-9). Enduring to the end is a salvation issue (Heb. 3:14; Mt. 10:22; Rev. 2:10,11). After the eternal security teachers get done with a convert, who they go after quickly with their teachings while they are yet unacquainted with Scripture, that poor victim will be easy prey for the devil’s temptations, which will surely come. From your perspective it makes no difference if they do “give up” and go back to the world. You would have to say they are still saved in their wickedness. STOP trying to teach holiness and obedience at one moment and license to sin and security in such the next.
You need to renounce the “gospel” you embrace, which is built on the false doctrine of eternal security and turn 180 degrees and battle such a Satanic weapon cloaked in religious terms like grace, the gospel, the cross, etc.
One’s saving faith can be destroyed (Luke 8:13; Rom. 11:19-23; 1 Tim. 1:19,20; 2 Tim. 2:18) and that will manifest in disobedience to God. You need our books refuting eternal security for your own SOUL’S sake and those you’re hurting with this doctrine. GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) I visited your site and I thought it was a little prejudice. If you are a Christian organization, you should practice a little “religious tolerance”....
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
The bible does NOT say Christians should tolerate doctrines of demons and teachings from hell. Instead, Christians are commanded to expose (Eph. 5:11) and refute such heresies (Titus 1:9) that will damn souls for whom Jesus died .... God doesn’t want anyone to go to hell (2 Pet. 3:9), even though MOST people will (Mt. 7:13,14). Hence, don’t follow the crowd. Follow Jesus unashamedly in our evil society. Read this http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/newconverts.htm GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) Let me first tell you that your site has been a real blessing to me. It is hard to find scriptural teaching in this dark day....
I had one small question. In your opening statement for the debate with Jason Hommel, in the 9th paragraph, you wrote “the truth is the tribulation begins after the rapture, which clearly occurs at the point of the last trump.” Please forgive me for asking but did you mean that the wrath of God begins after the rapture and not the tribulation, as the saints are in the tribulation until the rapture? That would seem to be what the scriptures read. Forgive me if i misunderstood but i felt it might cause a little confusion for others. Again thank you for your ministry and your walk in persecutions. In Him,
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
THANK YOU for the kind words. It is a sweet blessing for us to feed the sheep and refute the HERESY of eternal security ....
THANK YOU again for pointing out that sentence. When I sent it to Jason he pointed that error out and was kind enough to tell me I could change that on my opening statement, which I did. However, so many things happened since then (which was over 1 year ago) that we lost what the error was and where the correct opening statement was. Before it was posted I read it carefully, but missed it. THANK YOU for mentioning it. It is now fixed. The word “after” was changed to “before.”
Our country is in BIG trouble. Keep trusting the Lord, even though it gets rough. GOD BLESS YOU. Remember Rev. 12:11.
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(EMAIL) ...I’ll make this as short and sweet as possible. I have an associate pastor (worldly) ___________ who believes 100% in eternal security. My research has led me to believe in a conditional security. Based on my belief, I was likened to a Pharisee. I don’t say much to often to him as I only have encouraged him to read his word for himself (cover to cover) and research for himself the Synod of Dort for example. Yes, I know that’s deep. I also have encouraged him to look up for himself the history associated with John Calvin and see his beliefs have been carefully manipulated by what I believe are wolves in sheep clothing, his pastor, Charles Stanley, Joyce Meyer, etc. In so many words, I believe we live in a sort of matrix and most peoples realities stem from holding on to a system (belief) that has been carefully spoon fed to them since birth. Today, he asked to talk to me and I tried to shoot him straight as Eternal Security is potentially hazardous. I tried to share important scriptures( 1 Cor. 6, Gal 5, and Rev 21) .... It did not go well.
I am OK with being slandered against, lied and ridiculed because of my beliefs. Truth has it, to live a godly life you will be persecuted. I never get upset if people don’t believe we must hold firmly to the gospel we have and we must endure to the end. My question is, at what point do I cross the line in speaking truth?
Please believe my question is sincere. I learned the word of God by having the Lord teach me his Word himself. No, I am not a trained speaker or the most learned man but I do believe we are to read, believe(Obey) the infallible Word of God. You have assisted in my spiritual development as I have read most of the articles, the 800 page conditional security book and countless audio programs. I thank you. I need more and being there are no sound teachers, churches or people who sincerely want to walk with Christ, I just am always concerned that I am not making every effort as I can. It’s in me to get deep with and debate for the faith if I have too. Were can I find more of God’s discipline?
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
To be called a Pharisee or something similar to the extreme of being [called] unsaved seems to go with believing the truth about salvation. Grace has been so twisted and for so long most equate it to a license for sin but don’t readily recognize it. It takes people like you, us and some other Christians to point this out.
We are told not to cast our pearls to swine—those who become abusive. So you will have to make a judgment call as to when enough is enough in trying to help such people see the truth. We are also told in Titus 3:10 something relevant:
Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.
...GOD BLESS YOU. Heb. 3:14.
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(EMAIL) My question is this! When do we lose our salvation, what does it take and how long do we have to continue in sin to lose it? If we have to stay good then is it not our good works getting us to heaven and saving us? I know for me, cause of my past life, its not me doing good works but the Spirit of God in me that does the works.
So to stay good or do good works YOU performing them is YOUR works and that practice is a sin in Gods eyes? Please get back with me tell me what you think! THANK YOU
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
Loss of salvation can happen very quickly after disobedience, as with Adam and Eve or it can be more gradual as with being fruitless (John 15:2-6) or remaining in lukewarmness (Rev. 3:16).
When one gets saved he becomes spiritually alive. The issue after getting born again is staying alive, which sin can destroy .... You need to keep yourself pure, as Paul told Timothy (1 Tim. 5:22), because sin can make one impure and bring him to his spiritual death (Rom. 8:13; James 1:14-16; 5:19,20; etc.).
God will not force a Christian to do what is right, that is why some fall away, return as a dog to his vomit, etc. We have free will and we can disobey what God wants us to do to our own harm. That is why the devil tempts us.
Sin is NEVER obedience. Sin is disobedience!
Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, “The Believer’s Conditional Security.” There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/whatsnew.htm This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written. Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU. Heb. 3:14.
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(EMAIL) I am also a serious student of the Bible and just read your letter to Dr. Stanley. I don’t know of another Bible teacher or theologian that knows more about Biblical salvation. With all due respect to you, your letter completely misrepresents his book and his teachings over the past 50 years. I assume your motives are right but I would suggest you go to his website and listen to his many sermons on salvation.
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Charles Stanley is a good speaker and popular but he teaches you can stop believing altogether and retain your salvation. He also teaches you can not out sin the grace of God and you can live like the devil and retain your salvation. These are facts. If you are not aware of this you have a distorted view of his theology. If you want documentation for those quotes please get our book, “The Believer’s Conditional Security.” Remember a “Christian” from the camp of eternal security can be a thief, liar, adulterer, drunk, swindler, slanderer, murderer, witch, criminal, etc. That is not a Biblical Christian. A real “Christian” follows Jesus (John 10:27); he puts into practice God’s word (Luke 8:21); he obeys (Heb. 5:9); etc. That is not the Christian of OSAS. Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, “The Believer’s Conditional Security.” There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/whatsnew.htm This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written .... Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) I had a question about the mark of the beast; If one got it and then realized the error in their ways and turned to God will they still be condemned? What if it is forced on them, without their consent?
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name. It appears there will be no chance to repent and get forgiven, if one takes the mark of the beast. See Rev. 14:9-12. The only ones who will get the mark of the beast are those who are willing to give their allegiance to the antichrist and worship his image and/or him! It won’t be given away like candy or forced beyond one’s will to reject it. Hence, a great multitude will be martyred then because they rejected it. See Rev. 7:9-17. GOD BLESS YOU. Remember Rev. 12:11.
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