EO Responds To
Emails 05-24-09
(EMAIL) I hope that you are saved, but according to your belief, you aren’t. If you can fall from salvation, then you don’t know that you are saved. If you don’t know it, then you aren't.
(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. If what you wrote is true and if you use that same standard with Paul, then he was unsaved, which is impossible! Paul knew and taught the righteous can die spiritually (Gal. 6:8,9; 1 Tim. 1:18,19; Rom. 8:13; Gal. 5:19-23; 1 Cor. 9:23). We teach the same, but you are the one who teaches otherwise. The problem isn’t with us. The problem is with the doctrines related to eternal security which you have accepted as sound, but should be renounced. Please answer these http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/question.htm
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(EMAIL) Could you please explain how one who has lost his salvation can get resaved in the light of Hebrews 6? Thank you.
(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Heb. 6:4-6 refers to people who lost their salvation and could never repent again and get renewed by that repentance. How did they sin? The Bible is not clear. However, the historical background shows for the Jews to return to the synagogue back then they would have to commit eternal sin. Hence, they could never get forgiven again.
All other sins are forgivable, including David’s adultery and murder, Peter’s disowning Jesus, the Prodigal’s wild living and sexual immorality, etc. These and others can repent and get saved again (Lk. 15:24,32; James 5:19,20; Rom. 11:19-23), while those referred to in Heb. 6 could not. Hopefully that is clear. You need our 801 page book. GOD BLESS YOU. Gal. 6:8,9.
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(EMAIL) I’m sorry you have no assurance of your salvation. That you can be born again and unborn and born again and unborn again. This must be a sad way to be.
(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. We have peace and joy, as other Christians do:
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, (Rom 14:17)
The only Biblical salvation assurance offered to any person is for those who are presently following the Lord Jesus. Your doctrine denies this basic truth and therefore is a dangerous counterfeit. We do NOT believe people can become “unborn.” You are misrepresenting our position. We believe a righteous person can die spiritually which is taught all through the Bible http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/spiritualdeath.htm You need our 801 p. book. Remember Mt. 10:22. God bless you.
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(EMAIL) what exactly do you mean by "fall from grace" surely all sin is falling from grace which means everyone does on a regular basis. Nonetheless what do you actually mean and should such occur are you saying that person cannot repent and return to the Lord and they have committed the unpardonable sin of blashemy against the Holy Spirit.. For I know of no other unforgivable sin
(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. To “fall from grace” is only found once and that is in Gal. 5:2-4:
Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
When that occurs, Christ is of no value to the person at all. Also, that occurs over a doctrinal problem—trying to be justified by law. Hence, satanic temptation which is not resisted and sin that follows is not falling from grace, according to Scripture. You also think everyone sins all the time. That shows the savage wolves in sheep’s clothing which taught you that doctrinal poison were the eternal security teachers. Here is an important article that should help http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/abovesin.htm The only people who can’t repent are the ones referred to in Heb. 6:4-6. They committed eternal sin. All others who lose their salvation can repent and get saved again (Lk. 15:24,32; James 5:19,20; Rom. 11:19-23). There are MANY ways to go to hell besides through the unpardonable sin. See 1 Cor. 6:9,10; Rev. 21:8; etc.
Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, "The Believer's Conditional Security." There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/whatsnew.htm This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written.
GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) How can an all loving and all powerful God then condemn to eternal suffering when being all powerful he has the ability and patience to bring all making to him willingly? See he has all power meaning that he is capable of ANYTHING. If by creation of mankind and his omnipotent status then he knew every man before birth, He knew what we would do, he created us anyways, he knew that he could save us ALL but decides only to save a select few condemn the rest to eternal suffering . Is this a loving God ? Have I in some way misunderstood this which is conventional Christianity. You see the Bible says that GOD IS LOVE it does not say that he is only loving. I love all of my children and no matter how bad they behave I cannot stand to see a single one of them truly suffer. That is me being a lowly human while God says that his ways are higher than mans. Think about it!
(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Your argument overlooks the fact that God is not just all-powerful and all-loving. He is also a righteous God of justice, who punishes wickedness. Besides that Scripture says the wicked will be damned to eternal fire and punishment. End of discussion. You can believe it or reject the truth to your own harm.
God is also a jealous God. Did you know that? Ponder this truth about him:
The LORD is a jealous and avenging God; the LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The LORD takes vengeance on his foes and maintains his wrath against his enemies. The LORD is slow to anger and great in power; the LORD will not leave the guilty unpunished. (Nahum 2,3)
Do not get us confused with the heretical Calvinists. They are the misinformed group which teaches one is elected to salvation by God alone with no personal choice of man to accept or reject.
Do not be deceived: Not everyone is a child of God. Some are children of the devil:
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother. (1 John 3:10)
Please drop all preconceived ideas about salvation, God, etc. and read through the New Testament for yourself. Your eternal destiny depends upon what you do with that message.
GOD BLESS YOU. 1 Cor. 6:9-11.
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[The following two email exchanges were with a person who technically rejects eternal security, but essentially still teaches a license for immorality.]
(First EMAIL) ...You said that it is possible to lose salvation (with ONE sin). We believe that the saints must press forward if they expect the crown of life also.
There are those who do love the Lord and are loved by the Lord who (unfortunatly) believe this doctrine. Nor is it possible for every Christian to agree on everything, only cults do that. As we grow, our doctrine will come into conformity with that of Jesus, in the meantime I do not believe he wishes us to divide his church....
Thank you for considering us and taking the time to describe your position. This shows your sincerity and a real desire to serve Jesus....
(First RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
Since you didn’t answer my questions, you must think David retained his salvation even in adultery and Peter after he disowned Jesus. Your doctrine too is a license for immorality and a snare to souls. In fact, your version of grace will snare and damn some the eternal security heretics don’t get. You also reject Jude and what he wrote about the grace changers. He was clear that they are unsaved people. They are also the ones who divide, not those teaching soundly.
For your sake and the sake of others, remove all such teachings from your web site and make a doctrinal retraction. A teacher’s judgment will be more strict (James 3:1). This is a salvation issue and nothing less. You portray a savage wolf in sheep’s clothing as a sheep. How dangerous is that to the sheep? Remember James 3:1.
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(Second EMAIL) Your last email lost me. I am sorry I did not answer your question. I do believe that both David and Peter will be with the saints in Heaven. As far as damning people it is not my position to judge.
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. - James 4:11
You condemn me, my website and my doctrine. Could you be specific where I error in doctrine. What doctrine should I retract from my website? God be the judge.
PS. This I do agree with you on, those who call themselves teachers will receive the harder judgement.
PSS. You accuse me of licensing immorality, Paul too, was accused of licensing immorality. So unless you can be more specific in your accusation, I am in good company.
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. - Romans 3:7-8
(Second RESPONSE) You remind me of many Jehovah’s Witnesses and eternal security proponents who can’t answer a Biblical question. Rather than admit their error they answer a question which was never asked to avoid and confuse the issue. I never asked you a question about David and Peter being in heaven. I made the observation that your version of grace is a license to sin by asking you if they remained saved in their sins of adultery and disowning Jesus. WHY are you refusing to admit the problem in your doctrine? If David remained saved in adultery and murder, so will all others. If Peter never died spiritually by disowning Jesus, others won’t either.
James 4:11 doesn’t condemn what I wrote. As a Christian I am commanded to refute, expose, contend, JUDGE (Titus 1:9; Eph. 5:15; Jude 3,4; 1 Cor. 5:12; etc.) Again, you refuse to believe Jude, who describes the grace changers as unsaved people, yet you want to make believe you are Biblical.
You need to do more than just remove articles from your web site since your doctrine is wrong. It is possible to lose salvation over ONE sin. That doesn’t always happen, but it is still possible. For example: Those who take the mark of the beast will lose their salvation over that one act. Adam and Eve lost their salvation over ONE sin, just like God warned. To be described in 1 Cor. 6:9,10; Rev. 21:8; etc. is to be on the road to hell. So how many times does a person have to commit adultery to be an adulterer? Once. How many times does a person have to get drunk to be a drunkard? Once. To teach otherwise is to deny the definition of those words and lay a snare before others.
Rom. 3:8 was a false and slanderous accusation people made against Paul. Paul lived holy, righteous and blameless (1 Thess. 2:10; 1 Cor. 9:27) and taught such to others (2 Cor. 7:1; etc.).
This subject is a salvation issue. You are teaching wrongly about salvation itself and pointing others to dangerous teachers who are unsaved... They are NOT brothers. Souls are on the line here. Since you are a teacher you must get this corrected or you will stumble many people. Ponder Mt. 18:6,7.
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(EMAIL) I'm not sure to whom I should address this, since I don't know who to expect a response from. I have a questions/issues that I was hoping someone could field for me.
Initially, I was attracted to your website by the writings you posted regarding the "Great Apostasy". One thing that I have in common with your organization is social conservatism. I feel that Christian Churches everywhere are focusing too much on "inclusiveness" and "feeling good", and that obvious sins (adultery, greed, etc.) go largely unnoticed. People's soul's are being put in jeopardy of damnation for the sake of self-esteem.
... here’s the more interesting question that I have for many of my Protestant and Evangelical brothers and sisters in Christ: If the only teachings of Christ which are to be adhered to are the ones in the Bible, under what authority was the Bible composed? How do you feel about the books which were included early on, only to be taken out by later Protestant sects (Maccabees 1 and 2)? Should the books that were taken out be adhered to? or just the ones left over? and who decides? As a Catholic, I obviously don't believe in Sola Scriptura, but I would like to hear from someone who does....
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(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. ...Catholicism elevates what they call “Sacred Tradition” (ST) as high as the Bible. WHY? Because that is the only support they can find, as weak as it might be, for some of their doctrines. Part of their ST is the acceptance of the apocrypha. Catholicism can find no support for praying for the dead in the New Testament. They must go to 2 Maccabees 12 for such. But does that passage really teach what Catholicism uses it for? NO! The context shows the people prayed for dead people, in the state of mortal sin who were idolaters! (They had idols on them.) Hence, Catholicism would say they went to hell, but this is the ONLY support they can find for this pagan idea, yet it is used out of context and accepted as fact!
Catholicism has a false and dangerous plan of salvation, which will never bring spiritual life into one’s soul. Part of that false message is an elevation of Mary to “our life, sweetness and hope.” That is spiritual poison, yet openly recited in the Rosary as fact. How can you tolerate such a contrast to the message of the New Testament, where the Lord Jesus is shown to be “our life, sweetness and hope”? Have you read these? http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/catholic.htm Do you know about our book, Is This The Mary of The Bible? For your own soul’s sake, I plead with you to read the New Testament for yourself and change accordingly. Your SOUL is in the greatest danger.
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GOD BLESS YOU.