EO Responds To

Emails 08-02-09

(EMAIL) David Servant is opposed to OSAS doctrine. I have read his refutation of ... [the] Perserverance of the Saints.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Because “David Servant” rejects eternal security, he is especially dangerous since he still teaches a license to sin. Unfortunately, some people can’t readily recognize it and that is even after such have access to our documented critique of his book. How can this be? It is clear that he thinks one can commit occasional acts of adultery, drunkenness, theft, etc. and retain his salvation. That is a license for immorality not holiness. He himself is part of The Great Gospel Deception by teaching that way. How is it people can’t see it? God bless you.

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(EMAIL) Hi, one other point you may want to make about Mary not being sinless, is “Marys Song”, where she refers to her “savior”.. she wouldn’t need a savior if she was sinless.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Thanks for that point. May God help Christians win Catholics to salvation before it is too late. In our day, many think Catholicism is just another sect in Christianity, when it is far from it. Their Mary, which they “trust” in, is a major part of the whole problem, but there are others too. GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) Hi, I get your weekly emails and have read some of your books. I have also used many of your writings to help me show others the truth on OSAS. I really respect the work you do but I must admit that I disagree you ... on the purpose of baptism. Aside from that I was extremely surprised to see you put David Servant on your skull and crossbones list. ... He vehemently contends against OSAS...without question....To equate him with OSAS teachers because of that is a big stretch. ...Even if you disagree with him on this, it is still a stretch to equate him with OSAS teachers....Have you contacted David Servant to discuss this with him?

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Without question one becomes “born again” before and without water baptism. If one had to be water baptized to be saved, then he could never get saved until he could find: (1) enough water to be immersed in and (2) a Christian who could/would water baptize him. Does that seem correct to you? Think. If that was the case we would see indications of this in Scripture, which is certainly not the case. After one gets saved, he is to be water baptized. If he doesn’t, it will hurt his conscience (1 Pet. 3:21) which can lead to his faith being shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19,20).

For David Servant to reject eternal security but teach as he does is to make himself a unique and dangerous snare to many who would never be influenced by his teachings allowing for wickedness and salvation at the same time. It is very disturbing to read your email and to notice that you have not caught this! Please ponder this: According to the book, The Great Gospel Deception, a Christian could turn and be a part time prostitute. There is no question about this, since it would be only part-time and not practice. Hence, people could actually be deceived into thinking there are Christian prostitutes! Do you believe this is a possibility? How about a part time bank robber, part time Mafia hit man, part time drug dealer, part time drunk and swindler? You can see what I mean. It is ludicrous to think that these are holy in such wickedness, yet that is what that dangerous and deceitful book declares. He is promising people heaven without holiness, the very thing he is supposed to counter.

Even though the author believes the righteous can die spiritually, to him it is going to happen much further down the road in wickedness than what the Bible says. So are there Christian adulterers, Christian drunks, Christian murderers, etc., according to eternal security AND the book The Great Gospel Deception? Yes! There is no difference here. Both are a license for immorality and have led SOULS to HELL. The Bible is clear that all such people will not enter God’s kingdom and we are not to be deceived about this (1 Cor. 6:9,10; Eph. 5:5-7)! So how is it you are?

After I posted the Skull and Crossbones to “David Servant,” I entered into email exchange with him briefly. You can read that here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/david_servant_letter.htm

GOD BLESS YOU. Eph. 5:5-7.

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(EMAIL) In 1983 I became a Born Again Christian and was living victoriously in Christ and bearing much fruit.... In 1986, I visited a Presbyterian church that taught the Sovereignty of God, Predestination, The Westminister Catechism of Faith... it went well for awhile and then my walk started to waiver. I kept believing, "that He who had begun a good work in me would complete that work....that Christ would sanctify me...renew my spirit...after all I was Chosen before the foundations of the world....invincible kept in the Father's Hand.....it tickled my ears and I kept on believing. "that which I desire to do, that I do not....but, that which I desire not to do....that is what I do.....Oh, wretched Man am I, who can deliver me....Praise Be...to Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

I have studied Chuck Swindoll, Stanley .... ordered their books, gave offerings to their ministries. I could not find peace but I kept trying ..... thinking my understanding of the scriptures was erring, because all these renowned preachers couldn't be wrong. His [Stanley’s] explanation of Hebrews 6:6 was confusing. But, Oh, how I tried. Meanwhile, my witness and testimony are gone. I have committed sexual immorality, been a drunkard, lied, stolen, slandered... become angry with Christians who did not support Once Saved Always Saved..... believing them to be legalists and people who glorified themselves rather than the work of Christ in them. I am terrified of judgement, I have repented with great mourning, I am such a fool..... Thank-you for your wonderful ministry, I have sent it to everyone on my e-mail list, lest they fall.... Please pray for me..... The Lord Keep You In His Care and Abiding Strength.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Thank you for ...sharing your personal testimony about how Calvinism and eternal security led you into wickedness. You are not alone. Many others have been snared the same way! The way grace is taught in our day is a dangerous trap. We humans behave based on what we accept as truth. Hence, if one thinks he can stray into the kinds of sins you named and remain saved, the devil will strongly tempt him/her to do so. Consequently, the devil loves that teaching for through it he can reclaim souls who were once saved. He has many servants spreading that message.

You mentioned you have repented with great mourning. That was especially wonderful to read. Now that you have gotten back on the road to life do NOT allow the devil to torture your mind about your sins when a Calvinist. Press on. Do NOT allow those regrets to paralyze you. Peter certainly had regrets too after he disowned Jesus three times, but moved on with his life for God. He was also mightily used afterwards. The same can happen to you. Keep drawing near to God. We have a wonderful future in Christ. Love and serve him as he deserves. Please read this http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/newconverts.htm

Please consider signing up for our email teachings, updates, etc. If interested, you can do that here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/contact.htm

GOD BLESS YOU. Rev. 21:1-8.

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(EMAIL) ...Initially, I was attracted to your website by the writings you posted regarding the "Great Apostasy". One thing that I have in common with your organizaion is social conservatism. I feel that Christian Churches everywhere are focusing too much on "inclusiveness" and "feeling good", and that obvious sins (adultry, greed, ect) go largely unnoticed. People's soul's are being put in jeopardy of damnation for the sake of self-esteem.

However, as I was reading your discussion of "The Damnable Heresy of Eternal Security", I noticed that you mentioned the Catholic Church as being a subscriber to that theory. As a well researched adult Catholic convert, I was wondering what gave you that impression? Catholic teaching is consistent in the assertion that a once saved soul can always be in jeopardy of damnation, if that people later turns away from God and is purposefully living in a state of mortal sin (like adultery for example). It is generally accepted that a "once saved" Catholic who is living in a state of mortal sinfulness, does not get to enter the Kingdom. I'm only mentioning this because I feel like if you are going to include the Catholic Church as a subscriber to the teaching of Eternal Security, you should at least be responsible to reference where you found that information.

Also, here's the more interesting question that I have for many of my Protestant and Evangelical brothers and sisters in Christ: If the only teachings of Christ which are to be adhered to are the ones in the Bible, under what authority was the Bible composed? How do you feel about the books which were included early on, only to be taken out by later Protestant sects (Maccabees 1 and 2)? Should the books that were taken out be adhered to? or just the ones left over? and who decides? As a Catholic, I obviously don't believe in Sola Scriptura, but I would like to hear from someone who does....

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. We do NOT believe that Catholicism teaches eternal security. We know it does not and have never stated it does. Because they are correct in that one area, however, doesn’t make that system sound. It is clearly teaching a false and dangerous plan of salvation, which NO PERSON can get saved by. Furthermore, the rampant idolatry in the Catholic church is a serious problem.

Yes, we believe in “sola Scriptura” and we already know Catholics reject that. Do you know why they do? It is because they can NOT find Biblical support for much of their beliefs and practices. They must go to outside sources which they call Sacred Tradition.

As a former Catholic, please ponder the following truth, that is, God’s truth cannot and will not contradict God’s truth. This is basic and fundamental logic. With that being established, what the Catholic church calls “Sacred Tradition” is the ONLY support for reciting/praying the Rosary, which is supposed to be “the epitome of the whole gospel”! What a claim, yet it is filled with untruths, especially about Mary and it contradicts the truth in the Bible. Did you know the Rosary began around 1090 AD? Did you know it is a direct VIOLATION of how Jesus taught to pray (Mt. 6:6-8). It is a SIN to pray that way. Because the Catholic church exalts Tradition over the Bible, the Rosary is exalted to the utmost and [the Catholic church] rejects his commands about how to pray and how not to pray. This is very serious!

The Scriptures are God’s truth, according to the Lord Jesus. He used them to refute false concepts, justify his own behavior, etc. Please read this http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/bible.htm

Please look over these many articles. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/catholic.htm They should help you. Did you know we have a very important book for Catholics, “Is This The Mary Of The Bible?”

The SAFEST thing for you to do is read the New Testament and change accordingly. This is always safe for any and all people. You can’t go wrong by going by the Scriptures. It is final authority and all Christian teaching is to come from Scripture (2 Tim. 3:16,17). GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) I am not a Calvinist, I think that position opens all kinds of problems. But I do believe in eternal security. To believe otherwise, those doors open of again for problems.

I know I wont convince you on my position. But if believe I am saved today and maybe not tomorrow, I become useless to the Lord. I did nothing to earn my salvation, how could I be expected to do anything to keep it? You minimize the work of the Holy Spirit. So a person becomes born again, than un-born again, than born again? Or, a child of God then an un-child of God, then a Child of God? Very problematic.

Then you criticize Matt on his position and call it heresy rather than a difference of opinion. We'll you are playing right into Satan's hands.

The fact of the matter is there are certain issue that we'll never know for sure until the coming of Christ, and these doctrinal differences are not vital to salvation. Jesus said you will know my disciples by how they love on another. He didn't say, by their doctrinal accuracy.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Even though you and others claim not to be a Calvinist, you really are. You are a 1 point Calvinist. Furthermore, the problems are opened up by believing eternal security, not rejecting it. For a Christian to know the truth that he can die spiritually is a great advantage, which once saved always saved teaching takes away.

We know we can lose our salvation and it is great to be aware of this. It helps us walk the straight and narrow and live holy. QUESTION: Does a Christian have any role in keeping his salvation? Please read the following for yourself carefully:

By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. (1 Cor 15:2)

We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. (Heb 3:14)

See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. (1 John 2:24-26)

Other Scriptures can be cited, but that should do. BTW, we do NOT teach one gets “unborn again.” Please do NOT misrepresent us to try to make that false grace message appear more sound. [Please see this article

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/misconceptions.htm]

You try to defend Matt Slick (of CARM), who is a 5 point Calvinist and you say you are not a Calvinist. WHY? Slick has been refuted on our web site and in our books. CARM is NOT a good web site to hang out at. That is a dangerous web site.

Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, "The Believer's Conditional Security." There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/whatsnew.htm This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written. It has never been refuted and never will, even though thousands of Baptists ministers have it!

Please consider signing up for our weekly email teachings, updates, etc. If interested, you can do that here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/contact.htm Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage.

GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) I agree we aren't saved by baptism, but it is commanded by God. A person who takes a slack attitude toward this obviously important command would be compared to the first or second example in the parable of the sower. They would lose their salvation, dry up before they hardly get started.

A born again person would be eager to be baptised, as the eunich was and the other people we read about in Acts and elsewhere.

I'm not Church of Christ, but I agree that this command is not to be taken lightly. A person who won't bother to get properly baptized won't be good for much else either.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. One gets born again without water baptism. To totally disregard that command after [being] saved will lead to other problems which could cause one’s faith to become shipwrecked.

The first and second examples in the parable of the sower are: (1) the never saved people and (2) those who get saved, then later lose their salvation because of persecution.

The Church of Christ teaches one gets forgiven (saved) in the waters of baptism. They are dangerously wrong as are the United Pentecostals, Mormons, Catholics, Lutherans, etc.

Have you read our teaching on baptism? http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/baptism.htm

GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) Hi. I do not think God counts me as his child cos I keep disappointing him. I had pre-marital sex with a guy. I feel so so bad. I did not plan this for myself. My prayer life is messed up. I have found it difficult to walk into the church. I am so messed up.

I don't seem to have consistent life in Christ I always botch it somehow. 2007 i almost had sex with a guy I thought i was engaged to but the guilty feeling nearly killed me.

Now again i have gone further!!! I had sex with him. I feel messed up almost like ...

Maybe I never had Christ in me. if not why do i keep falling. Maybe there is still something that belongs to the devil inside me that keeps attracting me to the wrong men. Maybe I am not meant to marry may be may be

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Your email is the perfect example of how sin brings deep pain and regret, especially sexual immorality. But that sin is now behind you, if you sincerely repented. Do NOT allow yourself to be crushed with tormentful thoughts. If you have repented, move on with your life in the Lord. Draw near to him and serve him from your heart.

Until you get grounded in the Scriptures you will be an easy prey for the devil. This goes for all people, not just you. Please read this important message http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/newconverts.htm

Another important teaching for you is this one http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/christiansingles.htm

Please consider signing up for our email teachings, updates, etc. If interested, you can do that here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/contact.htm

GOD BLESS YOU. Remember Heb. 3:14.

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(EMAIL) I felt that I had to tell you that I found your remarks concerning the visions and messages of Fatima offensive. Our Lady has proven herself as a means of having prayers answered by God through her wonderful works.

You should read up on the miracles of Lourdes for just a taste of the wonderful things she has done. Think of the greeting given "Hail Mary, Full of Grace" an angel of the Lord delivered this.

You are entitled to have your faith, but not to the expense of dismissing anyone else's. Its things like this that cause the problems in the world, such as religious wars. If everyone is permitted to worship in their own manner things would be much better....