EO Responds To
Emails 10-04-09
(EMAIL) I own a copy of The Believer's Conditional Security and have just finished most of it. Thank you for a thorough and organized arrangement of the Scriptures dealing with salvation and the kingdom of heaven. I spent the first thirty years of my life believing eternal security. An indepth Bible study in Matthew with my men's group has revealed an awkwardness in interpreting the parables of the kingdom through a OSAS lens. While they are hardcore Southern Baptists, I found myself alone as the only one willing to let the Bible change my doctrine. From that point on (about 6-10 months ago) I put this new skepticism together with verses in Revelation I already knew about and developed a real drive to know the truth. Your name and ministry consistently popped up during a search for like minded believers that see these warnings in Scripture. Once I looked into it, I realized that my family must part ways with the Baptist denomination. ...I realize that the Bible describes the Christian so that we may be able to identify him by his fruit. So my question is this: What happens if I don't know anyone who fits that criteria? Where is the Church? I don't know of anyone who has created a real separation from the world. I've taken steps here and there that may look strange to others, but nothing that is yielding real persecution. I want to separate myself from the world so bad in more extreme measures, but without the Church for encouragement, I will fail in time. I've been raised with the teaching that we all sin, therefore OSAS must be true; otherwise no one would be in heaven. This simple bit of logic is how they, in good conscience, got around the tough passages no matter how strange the interpretations. The mere idea that righteousness is attainable in this life, while advocated constantly in Scripture, is completely foreign to me. I don't know what righteousness looks like. To find even a meager number of Christians who the Lord would find blameless, I would have to lower the bar - which doesn't seem to jive with Scripture. How do you deal with this? And where does the humility come from that can allow one to claim he is presently counted among the righteous? I'm looking forward to your reply. Striving to live faithfully until He comes,
(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
We are glad you found us.... Remember this: We are NOW in a DEEP, DARK APOSTASY. It is almost impossible to find a sound church anywhere, even outside the USA! This is a global problem! This, however, must precede the coming of the antichrist (2 Thess. 2). That bit of truth will help you make sense of the present MISERABLE condition of the so-called “Christian” body [which is not real]. The vast majority of such people don’t even have a clue how to find salvation much less the vital necessity to endure to the end to enter God’s kingdom! People are so ruined, even being shown clear Scripture doesn’t even phase the vast majority. It seems that there are a few real Christians scattered about here and there. As far as a whole denomination, there are NONE!
Regarding persecution, please know it comes in various forms. Ponder this:
Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their fathers treated the prophets. (Luke 6:22,23)
Being separated from the world can occur even though one is around such people at work, etc. You must not, however, join in with their ambitions, greeds, lusts, hate, etc. They can and will drag you down unless you remain on guard. Loneliness often goes with being godly!
Your family needs to get away from the perverted, distorted and dangerously twisted Bible interpretations in the Baptist church. Almost everything related to salvation, they mangle! The average pew warmer is in a fairytale world about God and salvation, yet support such poison by their money and physical presence!
Your strength must come from God. Judas backslid in the presence of God in the flesh and the other apostles. He saw the BEST example ever and heard the PUREST teachings, yet lost his salvation! On the other hand, Lot when in Sodom had not even 1 person who was righteous around him and maintained a holy walk while in that environment. (Afterwards that changed.)
Carefully ponder and practice the Scriptural truths in the Safeguard chapter in our book, also found here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/safegard.htm
Please know we have MANY things to do for God here with different pressing needs. Many are hurting, deceived and/or confused. You are not alone.
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GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) I was a Catholic for 27 years. I have been receiving your very informative e-mails on the Catholic church which I have shared with family, friends and anyone else who is willing to listen. Your excellent book on Mary has been shared with many people, some have embraced it others have rejected it. To those who have rejected it, I humbly asked them, “Did you bother to open your Bible when you were reading this book?” All replied, no! They seek out church tradition instead, how sad. These people have no knowledge of the sacred scriptures—what they are or what they mean. Coming out of Roman Catholicism for me was coming out of the darkness into the light. Thanks for standing for the truth. Trusting 100% in Jesus Christ for my salvation.
(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Thank you for your testimony, encouraging report about our book, “Is This The Mary Of The Bible?” and sharing your godly efforts to win Catholics to the Lord. It is very discouraging to see the reaction of many professing Bible-believing Christians when the various false doctrines in Catholicism are mentioned. The widespread ecumenical movement has taken a toll and the primary victim of such is the sincere Catholic who would respond to the truth of God, but doesn’t hear it.
With nearly 1 billion Catholics in the world, how any apologetic or countercult ministry can focus in upon various groups, tiny in comparison to Catholicism, but totally neglect Catholicism shows they are either extremely ignorant or in some sort of sin. I would never consider such ministries valid over this point alone.
Besides our book, we also have a few tracts written especially for Catholics. They might also help in your efforts to be a spiritual blessing to Catholics.... GOD BLESS YOU. Remember Heb. 3:14.
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(EMAIL #1) So, if every person sins, even born again Christians sin because they still have the old nature as mentioned in Romans 7, who exactly can be saved? Do we lose salvation and get "resaved" 100 times per day? Doesn't that mean that Eternal life isn't really eternal?? That when the Bible says that you may KNOW you have eternal life it is really a lie? I am a repented Christian, but slip on occasion. I guess if I die instantly today, heaven will be like flipping a coin, huh Any comments??
(RESPONSE #1) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Your email is the perfect one to show the various errors connected with Calvinism’s once saved always saved teaching. Please know:
(1) Christians can “obey” God. Therefore, they do NOT have to sin. We can resist the devil and he will flee. Ponder this carefully:
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:3,4)
(2) Romans 7:14-25 is NOT Paul as a Christian or the normal Christian life! Paul was HOLY, not the worst of sinners! How does the whole NT describe Paul? THINK!
When a person gets saved he is a new creation, which includes being set free from sin addictions and becoming a slave of righteousness (Rom. 6:22; etc.).
(3) All sins are not the same in their effect on our souls. Some sins are greater than others (Jn. 19:11). One type is eternal (Mk. 3:29), while others are not. Another type of sin is uniquely against our bodies, while other sins are outside our bodies (1 Cor. 6:18). 1 Jn. 5:16 declares there is a sin that does not lead to death while there is a sin that leads to death. Sins such as worry (Phil. 4:6), unthankfulness (Col. 2:7, 3:15; Lk. 17:11-18) and not being completely humble and gentle (Eph. 4:2) are not included in any of the lists of sins that will send people to the lake of fire, even if they were once saved. However, other sins certainly will send any person to hell if they die unrepentant, even a person who was once saved. (See 1 Cor. 6:9,10; Rev. 21:8; Gal. 5:19-21; Eph. 5:5,6; Jude 7; Rev. 22:15; etc.).
(4) Do not confuse the POSSESSION of an eternal thing with that thing itself! Jesus is eternal life. To be disowned by him, which can happen (Mt. 10:33), to be spued out of his body by him for lukewarmness (Rev. 3:16), to be cut off from him, “the true vine” (John 15:1,2,6), etc. is the clear language of NOT having eternal life (or salvation) anymore. Hence, the saved can become the unsaved AGAIN.
We believe that we are saved by grace (Eph. 2:8,9) but we can fall from grace (Gal. 5:2-4). We are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1) but our faith can become shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19,20) and cease to exist (Lk. 8:13; Rom. 11:19-23). We are not under the law (Rom. 6:14,15) but if you live according to the sinful nature you will die (Rom. 8:13). Paul taught against legalism (Gal. 5:3,4) but he also taught that no immoral, impure or greedy person has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God (Eph. 5:5-7). We are not saved by works (Eph. 2:8,9) but to reap eternal life and not destruction you must sow to please the Spirit and not the sinful nature (Gal. 6:8,9). God is faithful to us (1 Jn. 1:9; 1 Cor. 10:13) but we must be faithful to him to the very end of our lives to escape the lake of fire or second death (Rev. 2:10,11). God surely loves us (Jn. 3:16; Mk. 10:21; Rom. 8:35-39) but those who inherit the kingdom of God love God (Jam 2:5; 1 Cor. 2:9) and to love God means to obey his commands (Jn. 14:15; 1 Jn. 5:3). We have freedom in Christ (Gal. 5:1) but this freedom is not to indulge the sinful nature (Gal. 5:13; 1 Pet 2:16).
Also ponder this:
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. (1 John 2:24-26)
“Wake up and smell the coffee,” as they say. The Bible teaches salvation can be lost. To deny this won’t change anything! It only makes YOU more apt to be reclaimed by the devil. Unless you die with a pure heart, YOU will go to the lake of fire in the end. This is fact, if you believe it or not. End of discussion.
You need our books on this subject. Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, "The Believer's Conditional Security." There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/whatsnew.htm This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written. It has never been refuted and never will, even though thousands of Baptists ministers have it!
Please consider signing up for our weekly email teachings, updates, etc. If interested, you can do that here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/contact.htm Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL #2) Thank you, you did give me something to ponder. The Bible seems to support both doctrines in many ways, but if Jesus can suffer on a cross for us, we can sure suffer for him. I am going to stand by your doctrine as you sure have the scripture to back it up. We do have to crucify the sinful nature, no matter how painful it may be. God promises to give us the strength to resist temptations. So what are some good churches that support that doctrine? I am a Baptist.
(RESPONSE #2) Greetings in Jesus’ name. The Bible does NOT support eternal security anywhere, since the Bible is free of contradiction and teaches the righteous can die spiritually! Apparently you are not yet aware of the various misuses of their proof texts. (Another reason you should read our books.)
As far as “good churches” is concerned it is about as easy to find a sound church as it is to find a needle in a haystack. Shocking, but true. We are now in a DEEP WIDESPREAD APOSTASY. The established churches, for the most part, are filled with sin, false teachings and unholy examples. It is not easy for anyone to get sound Christian teachings. That is why Evangelical Outreach Internet Church was started, that is, to feed the sheep, etc.
Getting back to once saved always saved, did you see this? http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/question.htm
GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) Hi read your article for biblical singles. If a woman had a child while not married, and after birth got saved, and the father of child did not marry her, and he is not living for God. Is she single?
(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. For a single woman to get pregnant but not to marry means she is single but with a child. Just because she had a child to another doesn’t mean she is automatically married in God’s eyes. King David got Bathsheba pregnant and later married her. She was not his wife until that later point (2 Sam. 11:27).
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