EO Responds To Emails

10-05-08

(EMAIL) Your teaching false doctrine when it comes to stating baptism isn’t necessary for our salvation. Jesus told his disciples they would undergo the same baptism as Jesus (Mark 10:38) and a few scriptures more into Mark, it is written those who believe and are baptised shall be saved (Mark 16:16). John 3:5 states we must be born of the water and spirit, the holy spirit is received upon baptism. Matthew 28:19 instructs us to baptise others. How do you put on Christ, become buried with Christ and will rise with Christ if you haven't been baptised (Galatians 3:27/Romans 6:3) Please reread the scriptures again, so you can revise your baptism page, otherwise you are loosing souls not winning them for Christ! There’s a place in Hell for False teachers of the word.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

I have read your email and the proof you have submitted as evidence for your accusation. Your evidence/proof is lacking. Please know there are various “baptisms” (plural) taught in Scripture (Heb. 6:2). Hence, every time baptism is used, it is not referring to water baptism.

Every one of your proof texts are dealt with in our article showing water baptism has no role in the forgiveness of sins. Please read it [again] carefully with a willingness to change http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/baptism.htm

You have so elevated your doctrine to where you think Christians, like us, will be damned because we are not teaching as you. From experience, you are probably a member of the so-called “Church of Christ.” For your sake, leave that environment ASAP and cleave to the message of Scripture. One is saved at the point of a trusting-submitting faith in the Lord Jesus and afterwards he is to be water baptized by immersion, as Cornelius was (Acts 10:43-48). You claim we are losing souls when in reality you are deceiving people and teaching a false gospel.

GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) I just want to ask you if you are going to heaven?

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

The Bible does NOT teach absolute assurance of entering heaven as proof of sound doctrine. The truth is: ONE MUST ENDURE TO THE END TO HAVE FINAL SALVATION (Mt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11; Gal. 6:8,9; etc.). As long as we have Jesus we have life, but one can be without him after getting born again (1 John 2:24,25; Mt. 10:33; etc.).

We believe that we are saved by grace (Eph. 2:8,9) but we can fall from grace (Gal. 5:2-4). We are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1) but our faith can become shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19,20) and cease to exist (Lk. 8:13; Rom. 11:19-23). We are not under the law (Rom. 6:14,15) but if you live according to the sinful nature you will die (Rom. 8:13). Paul taught against legalism (Gal. 5:3,4) but he also taught that no immoral, impure or greedy person has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God (Eph. 5:5-7). We are not saved by works (Eph. 2:8,9) but to reap eternal life and not destruction you must sow to please the Spirit and not the sinful nature (Gal. 6:8,9). God is faithful to us (1 Jn. 1:9; 1 Cor. 10:13) but we must be faithful to him to the very end of our lives to escape the lake of fire or second death (Rev. 2:10,11). God surely loves us (Jn. 3:16; Mk. 10:21; Rom. 8:35-39) but those who inherit the kingdom of God love God (Jam 2:5; 1 Cor. 2:9) and to love God means to obey his commands (Jn. 14:15; 1 Jn. 5:3). We have freedom in Christ (Gal. 5:1) but this freedom is not to indulge the sinful nature (Gal. 5:13; 1 Pet 2:16).

GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) Why don’t you join the Roman Catholic “church”, and get it over with, since you teach the same doctrines ....

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

We derive all of our teachings from God’s word http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/doctrine.htm It is wonderful to have Scripture as proof for doctrine. The Calvinists, on the other hand, have their traditions, their creeds and their catechisms, but lack Scriptural proof, especially for their teaching on eternal security. Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, “The Believer’s Conditional Security.” There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/whatsnew.htm This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written.

Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) ... It really encourages me when I go to www.evangelicaloutreach.org. I just wanted to let you know that I am praying for you Dan Corner. I truly believe that repentance needs to be preached 99% of the time because times are near to the end. Sad to say that it needs to be preached as much in the church as outside. I say this because we made Jesus Christ to be someone who just fills a gap rather than our Savior. Our greatest need is not how we feel but salvation, although to have eternal life with the Father feels better than ever. Again, praise God for Jesus Christ and may the Lord bless you while you do His ministry.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

THANK YOU for the kind words. We have many enemies because of our holiness/endurance message for salvation. The eternal security teaching has RUINED the so-called evangelical church. It is our great pleasure to expose and refute this doctrine of demons. We have noticed that people repent AFTER they learn eternal security is false. Imagine that! As long as they think they will go to heaven they cleave to sin and refuse to repent.

Please consider signing up for our weekly email teachings, updates, etc. If interested, you can do that here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/contact.htm

Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, “The Believer’s Conditional Security.” There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/whatsnew.htm

This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written.

Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU. 1 Tim. 4:16; 1 Cor. 9:27.

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(EMAIL) Hello. It was refreshing to find your web site filled with wonderfully thought-through explanations of the Bible not supporting eternal security. And calling modern evangelical leaders to task for the overemphasis on grace. I saw nothing on there that I disagreed with! I’m also a former Catholic but after many years as an evangelical am struggling to find a church that matches the beliefs that you talk about.

... And what is your doctrinal belief on the role of women in the church and in society? My reading of scripture is that women are not allowed to lead in churches, yet it’s tough to find an evangelical church where women are not in leadership positions.

Thanks for any help you could give.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

It is great to see you are out of Catholicism and reject eternal security. Those are major advantages for you.

We are now in a DEEP DARK APOSTASY. The so-called churches are counterfeits being filled with sin and false doctrines. The ones teaching eternal security are NOT over emphasizing grace, they are teaching a perverted grace, which is not Biblical grace at all. MANY have written us and can not find a church in their area. You are NOT alone! Hence, we started an internet church to help people. Please consider signing up for our weekly teachings, updates, etc. If interested, you can do that here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/contact.htm

Christian women are to witness like men. They can be a deaconess (Rom. 16:1), but are not to have authority over a man. That is very small, though, in light of the rampant sin and false gospel being preached openly.

There is NO pre-trib rapture. If we are the last generation, get ready for very rough days. You MUST endure to the end for salvation (Mt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; etc.).

GOD BLESS YOU. Rev. 21:4.

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(EMAIL) I am very impressed with your comments and analysis concerning God/Jesus/Father. I am also very concerned with the O/T and N/T scripture. We all assume that the scripture given to us, has been properly interpreted by the authors. We have no knowledge, as to whether or not the authors have made errors. I have been personally ‘fighting’ with this same topic for over 5 years. In many instances, I find that our interpretation of God/Jesus/Father (ie; The Trinity & The Godhead ..... including The Holy Ghost) contradicts itself. Please review the following, and let me know your thoughts ....

1. The book of Genesis uses the term ‘begat’, to explain the impregnation of a woman with male sperm, resulting in a child being born. In Genesis 6:2, we find that angels (sons of God) must have sperm also. If Jesus Christ is 'the only begotten' son of God, does it not make sense that the Holy Ghost must have impregnated Mary with God’s sperm? If not, then Jesus would have to have been ‘created’. ??????

2. Rev chpt 4, has a figure on the throne, holding a sealed book, and along comes The Lamb (chpt 5), who takes this book from His hand, and opens the seals. If I refer to Isaiah 44:6, and the Lord’s Prayer, It seems that the Lord God Almighty is the ultimate ‘King’ and it is His throne and kingdom that are coming. In the end, the throne has both The Lord God Almighty and The Lamb sitting on it, with those that are found worthy until the end, being able to sit with The Lamb, on His throne. As Jesus is the Son of God and the angels are Sons of God, so do those that are found worthy, become Sons and Daughters of God, equal unto the angels, with The Lamb being The Lord of Hosts over all. In the book of Acts, it is written, “This same Jesus whom you have crucified, I have made both Lord and Christ.” There is only ‘one’ figure, not two. In Isaiah 44:6, the ‘redeemer’ is also the Lord of Hosts (Lamb and Lord as one figure).

Is it possible, that The Lord God Almighty, is The Father’s son (The Word), with Jesus Christ being His son (The Word in the flesh....The Lamb..., in the express image of His Father, The Lord God Almighty)????? In Rev chpt 4, we are told that He who is sitting on the throne, is the one that created the heavens and the earth.. Even John chpt 1 can be interpreted in this manner. We do not know if Paul’s understanding of The Trinity/Godhead, was correct. It just seems that Revelation doesn’t fit with the rest of the Bible. Even Rev 1:6 can be interpreted in two ways. Paul even acknowledges the mystery behind the Trinity and The Godhead.

...I hate to ‘dump’ this on you, but I have corresponded with many Christian ministers, but no satisfactory explanations were forthcoming. They seem to be as confused as I am (if not more so).

Thank you.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

First, it seems that somehow you reject that the Bible is error free. You wrote: We have no knowledge, as to whether or not the authors have made errors. Those are dangerous words. The NT Christians believed the Bible was error-free. If the Bible is not accurate we have no hope of learning the truth to please God and to get forgiven.

Second, the word begat can have more than one meaning as in the case when used for the Lord Jesus. You referred to John 3:16. The Greek word for “begotten” is MONOGENES. That same word is found in Heb. 11:17 in reference to Isaac:

By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son. (Heb 11:17)

But Isaac was NOT Abraham’s first son or only son! Isaac was, however, Abraham’s UNIQUE ONE-OF-A-KIND SON. That is how we must understand Jesus. (Jesus is eternal. He had no beginning like the Jehovah’s Witnesses and others dangerously say.)

Thirdly, you must remember that God is COMPOUND UNITY. Until you grasp that you will be confused about God. Isa. 44:6 doesn’t say that there is only one figure on the throne.

THE BIG QUESTION IS: Are YOU a Bible-defined Christian now? If you never experienced a RADICAL CHANGE in your life you have never been saved. If you are NOT trusting in and obeying JESUS first you are NOT saved now. Please read this http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/salvationps.htm

GOD BLESS YOU. Mt. 7:21.

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(EMAIL) I would like to express to you my enjoyment of your web site from the information to the scenery to the calm soothing music. I\’m __ years old and was raised with the Jehovah\’s Witnesses theology so can relate with your information on cults and issues. I am desperately seeking out this God and the one he sent forth Jesus Christ through prayer and readings of the bible. Your site is very informative and well written. I can only hope you are sincere in your personal quest for God\’s Kingdon as I. Thank you and may God through Jesus Christ help us all!

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

Thank you for the kind words about our web site. It seems that the devil has many snares and road blocks for people to find salvation. Sometimes he will use the Jehovah’s Witnesses, sometimes the Mormons, sometimes the Catholics, sometimes Calvinism, etc., but he has many deceitful tricks.

I too was raised in a false religious system. (Mine was Catholic.) My start with God began when I acted on Jesus’ teaching in Luke 18:13,14. Please do the same with a willingness to turn away from your sins. Here is a more detailed article on salvation. Please read it too http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/salvationps.htm

After reading it, please write back. Let’s keep in touch.

Please consider signing up for our weekly email teachings, updates, etc. If interested, you can do that here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/contact.htm

GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) Your site on pornography includes this comment.

It is VITAL for you to know that you are unsaved because of this sin. Matthew 5: 28,29

May I say, you need to get to know Jesus and all of his word.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

Your email is the perfect example of the heart of eternal security. When Christians like us quote the Bible and repeat what the verse says, you take issue with us, wrongly thinking you are in agreement with Scripture! You are defending those who are guilty of “adultery” through lust and saying we are unsaved! Shocking. Even more, for you to say we are unsaved is not consistent with your own belief system, since we could have been saved at any point in our life even though now we take great pleasure in refuting the demonic teaching of eternal security.

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(EMAIL) You said: “a sound church is almost impossible to find in our DARK day.” I couldn’t agree with you more! I found out about you thru the internet and bought your 800 page book.

I will sign up for your weekly teachings. Eternal security is a HUGE problem in Taiwan, China and in all Chinese churches. I have lived in America for 10 years and Taiwan for 24 years. (I am __ now) and never have I heard any teachings or church against “once saved, always saved.” It’s so sad....

How do I join your internet church as there are no churches against eternal security here that I know of yet.

Do you just teach and print books?...

Would you be my spiritual father, teacher or pastor? If you start your own church, may I preach the gospel with you and serve under your wing? My wife and I are so lonely sometimes because we don’t find any church against ET here in Taiwan.

I admire your careful study of the Word of God and your boldness to proclaim the truth against popular but wrong opinions. My wife and I are 101% against eternal security. We are also emphasize repentance, holiness, character, integrity and soulwinning.

...I am so very excited to know you. Praise God for divine appointments! You are very special! Love in Christ,

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

... It is exciting to meet you. Let’s somehow join together and fight the HERESY of eternal security. To be more precise we reject and hate all 5 points of Calvinism, especially the 5th point, which they call the perseverance of the saints (eternal security).

... We believe, because of eternal security, the so-called evengelical church of our day is filled with UNSAVED people. They died spiritually and need to repent and return to Jesus (life) or they will be damned. The doctrine of eternal security has blinded them from their vital need. We have often seen it is only AFTER learning that Scripture does NOT teach eternal security that they repent. This alone is proof that people stay in their sins once they accept this teaching.

You are VERY SPECIAL and dear. Rev. 21:4.

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