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Emails 12-06-09

(EMAIL) Hello! Over Thanksgiving break I will be discussing and disproving once saved always saved with a Baptist church member. He is a graduate of Moody Bible College of Chicago, Ill. I need to know whether the "brother" mentioned at the beginning of 1 Cor. Chapter 5 is talking about a "saved" Christian brother, ie. brother in Christ. If it is, this will only help to convince him and this verse alone will shatter the discussion.-Thanks!

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. We already have a teaching on 1 Cor. 5:1-5 here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/1cor55.htm NOTE: For eternal security people to say the unnamed man of 1 Cor. 5:1,2 was a Christian while in those sins is to DESTROY their facade of teaching holiness! There can be NO HOLINESS in trying to convince others such wicked behavior can be done by people with salvation. Paul clearly refers to him as “wicked” (1 Cor. 5:13). Hence, he was on the road to hell in need of salvation.

May God help you with that Baptist. Remind him about our books and other materials, which can help too. GOD BLESS YOU. 1 Tim. 4:16.

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(EMAIL) ...I faithfully share a very small point of finding a mis-spelling of the word (license) contained in your Summary on the onesin.htm writing. It is found in the first paragraph, last sentence. In the Eyes of Christ, I see only for those who will find this distracting to the point of missing the message, and for no other reason than "perfection through correction" do I make this known to you. Your brother in Christ,

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus' name. THANK YOU THANK YOU for telling us. It is now fixed. If you see any others PLEASE tell us. GOD BLESS YOU. 1 Cor. 2:9.

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(EMAIL) Thanks for compiling quotes relevant to “spiritists”, “spiritualists”. I am having a conversation with a friend from Brazil who believes the Bible and “spiritualists” beliefs are compatible. I knew they weren’t but didn’t have all the quotes. Sure nice to have them so accessible....

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. THANK YOU for the kind words. It is our pleasure to offer that material, as well as all the others. Since 79% of Brazil is Catholic that sort of thing would be common. Many Catholics, in various countries, mix Catholicism and the occult without knowing the Bible is strongly against all forms of the occult. If people don’t have the light from the Bible they will fall for any deception.

Please consider signing up for our email teachings, updates, etc. If interested, you can do that here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/contact.htm

GOD BLESS YOU. Heb. 3:14.

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(EMAIL) On the week belows sermon you talked about blasphemy of the holy spirit. When I still believed once saved always saved when I was a lot younger I was going through a tourture where I coundn't leave my parents house I was very mentally unstable with my paranoia I prayed a lot about it and when I didn't have any visable help I swore at God and Jesus and I had a cross around my neck I broke and threw in the trash. I imagine I called him all kinds of names. I didn't know a whole lot about the bible so I din't even know of a spirit or a holy spirit. Not knowing that could it have been possible for me to blaspheme the holy spirit through chursing Jesus all the ways I did.I can't remember all I said but I didn't know about the holy spirit.could some of the names I used insinuate he was unclean? Please help me I truly want to serve Jesus sometimes this does trouble me a lot. Isn't calling the Lord certain names saying he has a unclean spirit even without useing the words holy spirit? God Bless You Thanks

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. You did NOT commit eternal sin. The devil is torturing your mind. Until you get God’s truth on this subject rooted in your spirit he will continue to hurt you in various ways. For your own good, please read the following 10 times until you KNOW the difference between what you did (as bad as it was) and what eternal sin is http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/eternal_sin_blasphemy_of_Holy_Spirit.htm

Preston, you need strengthened spiritually and your mind washed out with God’s word. More than your need for food in the natural is your VITAL NEED for spiritual food. The safest and best way to get it is reading the New Testament for yourself, without any study aids. Believe what it says and act accordingly. Luke 8:21.

GOD BLESS YOU. Remember 1 Peter 5:8,9.

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(EMAIL) You need to read john 6: 37-40 as Jesus said himself that all that the father gave him he would raise at the last day and none would be lost. Please read the attachment. Revelation 17:8 says our name were written in the lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. Thats why god's true children are called: "God's chosen people" whether jew or gentile you be.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. We have read John 6:37-40 and the whole New Testament many times. It does NOT support any form of Calvinism, even in the slightest way. John 6:37-40 is referring to initial salvation (getting “born again”). All that comes to Jesus, he WILL definitely receive and NONE will be rejected (or “lost”) when they come. That passage does NOT refer to what happens from initial to final salvation. Make a note of that, for your own good, please. MANY verses, however, show the various dangers and cites people (named and unnamed) who have fallen away. This is very important to know, so a real Christian can guard, keep, hold, himself to enter God’s kingdom after death, which is all part of New Testament “grace.”

Rev. 17:8 only tell us when names were written in the book of life, but not WHY they were written down. The answer is God has foreknowledge of our will to receive God’s truth or reject it (1 Peter 1:2; Rom. 8:29). Hence, it is man’s free will and choice (NOT God’s choice for who will and will not be saved). He doesn’t will for any to be lost (2 Pet. 3:9; 1 Tim. 2:4; Acts 17:30). Unfortunately, you have missed the related truth that names can be erased from that same book (Ex. 32:33; Psa. 69:28; Rev. 3:5 cf. Rev. 20:15), which implies there is NO once saved always saved. To enter God’s kingdom after getting born again, one MUST endure to the end (Mt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11). Also, a real Christian can die spiritually after getting born again http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/spiritualdeath.htm

We believe that we are saved by grace (Eph. 2:8,9) but we can fall from grace (Gal. 5:2-4). We are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1) but our faith can become shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19,20) and cease to exist (Lk. 8:13; Rom. 11:19-23). We are not under the law (Rom. 6:14,15) but if you live according to the sinful nature you will die (Rom. 8:13). Paul taught against legalism (Gal. 5:3,4) but he also taught that no immoral, impure or greedy person has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God (Eph. 5:5-7). We are not saved by works (Eph. 2:8,9) but to reap eternal life and not destruction you must sow to please the Spirit and not the sinful nature (Gal. 6:8,9). God is faithful to us (1 Jn. 1:9; 1 Cor. 10:13) but we must be faithful to him to the very end of our lives to escape the lake of fire or second death (Rev. 2:10,11). God surely loves us (Jn. 3:16; Mk. 10:21; Rom. 8:35-39) but those who inherit the kingdom of God love God (Jam 2:5; 1 Cor. 2:9) and to love God means to obey his commands (Jn. 14:15; 1 Jn. 5:3). We have freedom in Christ (Gal. 5:1) but this freedom is not to indulge the sinful nature (Gal. 5:13; 1 Pet 2:16).

Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, "The Believer's Conditional Security." There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/whatsnew.htm This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written. It has never been refuted and never will, even though thousands of Baptists ministers have it!

Please consider signing up for our weekly email teachings, updates, etc. If interested, you can do that here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/contact.htm Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) I am sorry that I keep bothering you, but I really value your advice, on account of you are one of the only ministries I trust! First of all, Sunday is coming soon, that is when I will be talking with someone about OSAS. I have a question. What if they use this verse and argument, because a friend reccomended that I be able to answer it, 1 John 3:6. If they use that verse, and use it to support their argument, "never saved to begin with", what should I say? I think I know what to say, but I want to make sure, it seems that they could use that verse for the OSAS benefit. ...God has definitely used it for good. ...Pray for me as well, thank you and God bless.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Calm down. It is very easy to refute THE HERESY, even though the deceived and blind often refuse to admit such over their pride and desire to cleave to sin. It would be a good idea for you to learn the arguments in the OSAS questionnaire found here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/question.htm Furthermore, the never saved to begin with argument is refuted here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/neversavedargument.htm

Now getting to the 1 John 3:6 verse:

No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

John is referring to coming to initial salvation (getting “born again”). He is saying for one to continue sinning, as he did before his alleged “born again” salvation, shows he has never known God via salvation. John is combating those who claim they were saved but freed from their sin addictions (Rom. 6; John 8).

John is NOT referring there to those who have truly come to a real “born again” salvation as evident by being set free from their sin addictions and afterwards return as a dog to their vomit of sin (2 Peter. 2:20-22). OSAS people NEVER say David lost his salvation when in adultery and murder! Remember that. Many examples could be cited of backsliders or warnings given to Christians about backsliding.

...Thanks for the various kind compliments. Please pray for our ministry as we have MANY who oppose our holiness and endurance message for salvation.

Remember:

Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil... (1 John 3:7,8)

GOD BLESS YOU. Heb. 3:14.

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(EMAIL From a Baptist missionary) ...Let me go straight to metnion that I am saved by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ. Saved and SAVED forever because JESUS saved me!!!!! NOT myself who saved my life. The condition of my eternally secured salvation is JESUS CHRIST, i have put faith in him, in what he had done at the cross, he paid my sin and i was justified, he imputed his righteousness in me, and when I died will be with him in heaven. Dont you believe that ONCE JESUS SAVED YOU, then you are saved forever? If you don't believe that biblical doctrine, then you are still lost....you need to get saved once and for all...Note that Peter who denied Jesus 3 times, it was a big sin, but He is sure in heaven because Christ saved him. You cannot maintain or keep your salvation by your capacity or power. My salvation is kept (protected) by the power of God( 1 Peter 1:3-5). In Christ forever,

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. You are a Baptist missionary, but that does NOT mean you are sound in doctrine. There are Jehovah’s Witness and Mormon missionaries too and they aren’t sound either! So please don’t stumble over your position. If anything you should be VERY FEARFUL based on James 3:1 and 1 Tim. 4:16.

Your email has both truth and heresy mixed into it. It is true we are saved by grace (Eph. 2:8,9), Jesus is the one who saves us (Acts 4:12; etc.), he paid for our sins (Jn. 1:29), etc. but to say man has no role in coming to initial salvation or staying with the Lord, as his follower, is both unscriptural and DEADLY. Please ponder Acts 2:40, Luke 12:35, Rev. 3:11; Heb. 3:14; etc.

Imputed righteousness given at initial salvation can afterwards be changed. Don’t let that snare you or those you teach http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/esimputedrighteousness.htm

You wrote the following:

Dont you believe that ONCE JESUS SAVED YOU, then you are saved forever? If you don't believe that biblical doctrine, then you are still lost.

Hence, you are trying to teach we have to believe in the heresy of once saved always saved to come to initial salvation. You have cited no scripture and can NOT cite Scripture to back that statement up. It is not part of the true Christian plan of salvation as you imply. In fact, the real Christian gospel is clearly the opposite to eternal security:

By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. (1 Cor 15:2)

Peter repented after he lost his salvation by disowning Jesus and falling away. If not, he would have went to hell after his death. Christians are told through the Spirit we are to put to death the sinful nature OR it will kill us spiritually:

For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, (Rom 8:13)

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(EMAIL) Greetings in Jesus' name. I have a personal-theological question I wonder if you could answer for me. I was saved in a Free Methodist church about 37 years ago. As to baptism, I was sprinkled. I read my Bible everyday, prayed for meals and SOME throughout the day, tithed, taught Sunday School, and all the things my fellow Christian?-church member friends did also. In my mind, I disapproved of many of the things they did, such as some of their jokes, their watching of television, etc.

A few years ago, I discovered some of your printed materials and your web-site. I fell under heavy conviction about two areas of my life that I really hadn't considered "wrong" until then--I sometimes "slightly" bent the truth, and, worst of all, I had a terrible temper that Definitely fell under the "fits of rage" category mentioned in Galatians. I had justified this in my mind because I was in an abusive situation at home. I absolutely truly repented. At this time, I really wanted to be baptized by immersion because I felt that was the way Jesus was and I had always wanted to, but everyone thought it was not important how one was baptised. We were in the process of moving, and I was sort of panicky because I could not find anyone to baptize me. I know you said that even non-clergy could baptize me, but I suddenly felt like I didn't know any TRUE Christians. We had been trying many different churches, at this time, and we going to a Christian church. I found out they believed that baptism was necessary for salvation, but I did not ever believe this. Still, I desperately wanted to be baptized before we moved; I guess just to "start life anew" in a new place, so I had the Christian church pastor baptize me. As I stood before the congregation the pastor said that I was a Believer and desired to be baptized. This set my mind at rest, the way he said it, because I thought he was telling them that I was a Christian but just wanted to obey Christ and be baptized.

We moved a few days after this, and I felt (and still know) that God had completely taken away my temper, which, previously, I had tried to control, but couldn't. It has never even slightly come back.

Nevertheless, after moving, my situation at home became worse, is some ways. I never had a fit of rage or anything. Recently, however, I read your book, "The Believer's Conditional Security". This book absolutely changed my view of what I needed to do in my life. Even though I felt, ever since reading other literature from you, that I was living right, and had totally given up my horrendous sins, because of the your book, I found many areas of "fine-tuning" my life that I needed to do.

My life is very, very different now and am enjoying much fellowship and happiness in the Lord. However, though I know I am a Christian, now, I sometimes have a niggling doubt about whether my baptism (the immersion by the Christian church pastor, not the sprinkling by the Free-Methodist pastor) will be counted as okay. I know I am a Christian, right now, but if my baptism was not "orthodox" by Jesus' standards, should I be baptized again? I get a smorgasbord of answers from different people and pastors but don't know what Jesus would want me to do.

Though this email is very long, I am most anxious to do what is right. Will you please give me your view on this? Thanks you for all you have done.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. We rejoice with you that the fits of rage are no longer a problem. THANK YOU Jesus. (The eternal security proponents can’t imagine such is possible, since they have been deceived into thinking one must sin all the time, but we know better!)

Regarding baptism, sprinkling is not Christian baptism, even though some might call it that. Also, ANY group which teaches a false plan of salvation is NOT one which a Christian should have anything to do with, even sitting in their church meetings to have “fellowship,” etc. (NEVER support such a group so you will not be responsible in their evil work.) Furthermore, to be baptized by such a group does NOT set right with Scripture either, as you know. If we were in your shoes, we would seek out a Christian in our area who would baptize us. (You are right, ANY Christian can do this.) May God help you find one. As you try to resolve this problem also know that God knows your heart that you want to do what is right. Hence, don’t be super stressed over finding someone today, but still try to get this behind you asap.

Thanks for the kind words about our materials. GOD BLESS YOU. 1 Cor. 2:9.

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(EMAIL) I am a Catholic and I have to say I am absoloutely outraged by your two penced heretical teachings about the Blessed Virgin. You write as if wanting to shock and, to make you gulp down your malicious bluff, I am going to defend My Lady who is the Queen and as She is the Queen, I can do nothing but serve Her:

Mary is Perpetually a Virgin: why on earth do you deny Her Sacred Virginity, you sowers of error? How can you deny it? It certainly is not out of love for Christ as if it was, you would certainly have upheld Her Virginity.

You have desecrated the Sanctuary of the Lord, you have dishonored the Mother of God: how on earth I ask, can you please Jesus by dishonoring His Mother? Will He reward for this little service? No, He will chastise you more than He would chastise one who blasphemed His Holy name, you cheapskate. Your heresy is not even worth two pence, you hypocrite, you are as filthy as your master Luther who would make any woman shudder at the vulgar jokes he made about women.

In the name of the Holy Trinity, and in the name of her Immaculate Conception, I challenge you to a debate defending the Blessed Virgins privileges. You who profess to teach the truth, let me see you practising it: if Jesus debated with the Pharisees, and you think you are following Christ, let me see you defending your false religion and your false Christ's false doctrine. Are you corageous, as Jesus was when he litarally threw out the thieves in the temple.

The debate consists in e-mails in turn. One sends an e-mail defending a doctrine(eg. I defending the Virginity of our Lady), and the other trying to disparage it(eg. you miserably trying to deny the Blessed Virginity of Mary). Then we take turns at defending and denying(eg. you trying to defend Sola Scriptura and I denying it(when not even Sola Scriptura is found in the Bible)).

-Each subject must take no more than three e-mails each.

-The can be no more than 800 words in each e-mail.

-no blasphemies against the Saints and Jesus, especially not at the BVM(seeing as Jesus can defend Himself and Mary cannot and She withholding His Just Hand from chastising you).

-there must be only up to 5 subjects each(I will defend: the Immaculate Conception, The Virginity of Mary, Her Divine Maternity and Spiritual Motherhood(the latter includes Her being Queen of Heaven and earth and Mother of the Church), and this so called 'worship' with the word you invented called mariolatory(which does not even exist). You choose your own: let us see you defending Sola Scriptura.

Let us ee who loves Jesus the Most. If you love Him, you would accept this here challenge.

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Please know we are not against the real Mary of the Bible. She is our dear sister, who we believe is in heaven. On the other hand, the fabricated, non-existing “Mary,” as taught by Catholicism is a DEADLY snare to precious souls for whom Jesus died. Such an invention needs to be shown inadequate to entrust our SOULS to. Too many sincere and God-fearing people are already TRUSTING IN THIS CATHOLIC MARY MYTH for their salvation, prayer answers, etc., instead of the Lord Jesus. Consequently, they are walking in spiritual darkness, through this deception. God is not pleased.

You mentioned a debate. If you are qualified to represent the current Catholic position on their Mary, I will be glad to debate you using the rules mentioned in your email. In other words, are you a priest, monk, nun, teacher in a Catholic seminary, etc.? If not, what kind of qualifications do you possess to accurately present Catholicism? If you have adequate knowledge of Catholicism, let’s debate Mary’s role in salvation. (I’ll be waiting to hear from you. What country do you live in?)

We believe we are saved INSTANTLY at the point of a TRUSTING-SUBMITTING-OBEYING FAITH IN JESUS. One must turn away from his idols to serve God to get initial forgiveness. Mary, the sacraments, and being a Catholic all play NO role in getting forgiven and/or entering God’s kingdom after death, according to the Bible, which is FINAL AUTHORITY (2 Tim. 3:16,17). Please see http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/salvationps.htm

GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL sending DAVE HUNT’S OSAS false teaching) ...Do we then, on the basis of "once saved, always saved," encourage Christians to "sin that grace may abound"? With Paul we say, "God forbid!" We offer no comfort or assurance to those living in sin. We don't say, you're okay because you once made a "decision for Christ." Instead, we warn: "If you are not willing right now to live fully for Christ as Lord of your life, how can you say that you were really sincere when you supposedly committed yourself to Him at some time in the past?"...

(RESPONSE) Greetings in Jesus’ name. Dave Hunt has a DOUBLE MESSAGE, which deceives the gullible. Do NOT be duped by his duplicity. Hunt is NOT consistent with his heretical salvation teachings. From the material you sent, Dave Hunt’s SOMETIMES MESSAGE is:

...Do we then, on the basis of "once saved, always saved," encourage Christians to "sin that grace may abound"? With Paul we say, "God forbid!" We offer no comfort or assurance to those living in sin. We don't say, you're okay because you once made a "decision for Christ." Instead, we warn: "If you are not willing right now to live fully for Christ as Lord of your life, how can you say that you were really sincere when you supposedly committed yourself to Him at some time in the past?"...

It seems there, Dave Hunt doesn’t believe a real Christian can afterwards backslid. That, however, is FAR from what he teaches at other times. For example, below is what he teaches about the 1 Cor. 5:1,2 sexually immoral man, who was committing sexual sin which even pagans didn’t commit. Hunt thinks he was a Christian!

The man who had his father’s wife—a terrible sin—didn’t lose his salvation thereby

Hunt is a one-point Calvinist and as just another grace changer, he deceitfully teaches there are saved sexually immoral people, as the above quote proves. He also thinks under the “sin unto death” there are UNrepentant “heinous” sinners who are struck dead by God and taken to heaven in their sins afterwards!!!!!! Hence, do NOT try to whitewash the damnable heresies he (and others) are teaching.

Dave Hunt, like all other license for immorality teachers (just like the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, etc.) do 3 things with their messages, which help to protect their wicked teachings before some. They: (1) teach a double message, (2) deny what you teach at times and (3) confuse the issue.

It has just been proven Hunt has a double message. QUESTION: Which message do you send us? It is the one where he seemingly denies a Christian can backslid. That is what you remember him by for the moment. His deceit worked with you!

Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU.

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