EO Responds To

Emails 12-21-08

(EMAIL) Shalom, I am a Messianic Jew and I refer to the Savior as Yeshua his G-d Given Hebrew name. One thing you fail to realize that all the authors of the “New Testament” were all Hebrew Jewish Men every single one of them. So by them being Hebrew Speaking Jewish men would have written in the same language. So having said that Historically the “New Testament” was originally written in Hebrew First translated in Greek By Nicolas then from the Greek to Latin By Rome and then in English By King James.

It is good for you to know I am a former Gentile Christian that has converted to Messianic Judaism. Not out of apostasy as you claim, but rather for the truth. You see Gentile Christianity has done well to strip everything Jewish from the whole bible just about. This true apostasy has been shown by changing all the names of people and the names of the books to Gentile names. I have a Complete Jewish Bible which has restored the Holy Scriptures to it’s Jewish roots.

I think you should do more research on Messianic Judaism before you call us apostates. If you were to really do some study on Messianic Judaism and the very seal of the faith you will see we are not 40 years old But rather 2000 years old. I will refer you to a book called The Messianic Seal of the Jerusalem Church. I think you might find that very interesting. Before you cast stones do your homework. Have a good day and G-d Bless.

(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

All of the New testament writers were Jewish with the one possible exception of Luke. The New Testament was NOT written in Hebrew. It was written in Greek. The KJV was NOT the first English translation. Please get your “facts” correct.

If you go by the original New Testament (the Greek manuscripts), then the Messiah’s name is given hundreds of times and it is NEVER “yeshua.” WHY isn’t the Scriptural account (NT) good enough? There is something wrong with your group going “outside” the Scriptures and being divisive over it. Think.

QUESTION FOR ____: There are a couple dozen Hebrew words in the New Testament, WHY isn’t “Yeshua” one of them, if this is so important to God?

Somehow you seem to think “Jewish roots” are vital, the OPPOSITE of what Paul taught and he was a “Hebrew of Hebrews.” A Gentile believer, who calls the Lord “Jesus” and who is “putting into practice God’s word,” is a Christian. He is NOT a second class Christian because he is not a Messianic Jew.

Another LETHAL problem for some Messianic Jews is what they teach about the feast days, dietary laws, etc. Please read this http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/galatianism.htm GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) Why are Catholics in the \“cults\” tab?

(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

Because Catholicism is spreading a false plan of salvation, it must be categorized with other similar groups such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, SDA, etc. The real plan of salvation is REPENTANCE towards God and FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS (Acts 20:21). Note: Mary, the sacraments, church membership, etc. have no role in salvation. When one gets saved he’ll be set free from his sin addictions. Have you read this http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/salvationps.htm ...GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) I am an IFB [independent fundament baptist] Pastor, but I do not believe in OSAS. But, I do believe the Bible teaches, IF you are saved, you are saved forever, don\’t you? My comment is...concerning James 5:19-20. Where in those scriptures does it say that a person loses salvation? Isn\’t James talking about restoring a brother, and not redeeming him? You can be saved and still have carnal ways, even Paul teaches us this truth. Let me know what you think. God bless.

(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

There are no Bible verses which say if one is saved he is saved forever. Also what you say you reject (OSAS), is exactly what you said you believe by your other statement!

James 5:19,20 state that the person who strays from the “truth” needs to be brought back so his “SOUL” will be saved from (eternal) death, that is, the lake of fire (also called the second death). Hence, he lost his salvation but it is stated in different words.

Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, “The Believer’s Conditional Security.” There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/whatsnew.htm This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written. ... Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) Hello! Jesus\’s peace! I sent my question about I John 2:19 and I read about the calvinist interpretation of this verse, but it not convinced me. Please explain me specifically I John 2:19 when say: For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; The OSAS proponents say that this part of I John 2:19 teach that the truth believer never forsake the faith in Christ as Salvior.... God bless you!

(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

Regarding 1 John 2:19, please remember what you wrote:

The truth believer never forsake the faith in Christ as Salvior.

The context of 1 John 2:19 shows those who left were NOT true believers, according to verse 22. What the eternal security people do is teach a double message. When they use 1 John 2:19 and use the “never saved” argument, it is because they are trying to cover over the license for immorality their doctrine really is. By teaching 1 John 2:19, as they do, they contradict MANY scriptures. For example, James 5:19,20:

My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. (NASB)

That passage CLEARLY shows true believers can forsake the faith and Christ. It also shows their SOUL will become DEAD through sin. All of this refutes eternal security.

1 John 2:19 is one example of false apostles leaving the true apostles. It is OBVIOUS such people were never saved. No one would ever consider such people possible Christians, since they denied Jesus was the Christ! Do NOT be deceived by this verse or ANY passage cited to support eternal security. Once saved always saved is a DEADLY lie and HERESY. Please consider getting our 801 page book refuting eternal security entitled, “The Believer’s Conditional Security.” There is MUCH in it that can help you better understand this salvation related subject. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/whatsnew.htm This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written. Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU. Heb. 3:14.

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(EMAIL) I believe that JESUS is our one and only true Savior and that I Hope GOD blesses you for the message that Mary SHOULD NOT BE WORSHIPED.

(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name

Thanks for the encouragement. It is shocking with nearly 1 billion Catholics in the world, that so many “ministers” of our day refuse to lovingly refute Catholicism. MANY Catholics want to know the truth, but are hardly ever exposed to it in our apostate day.

Did you know we have a book showing the Mary taught in Catholicism is not the real Mary? The title is, “Is This The Mary of The Bible?”

BTW, while Catholics are not to “worship” Mary, according to their own doctrine, they are taught to “worship as God” the communion wafer, which they call the Eucharist. That is clearly idolatry. See Rev. 21:8.

Please consider signing up for our weekly email teachings, updates, etc. If interested, you can do that here

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/contact.htm GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) just a note about how i found u and how grateful i am that G_D directed my path to cross urs. i was raised in a missionary baptist church, left the church in my late teens and lived for satan most of my adult life. in oct 2004 G_D saved me/delivered me from cigarettes/and healed a planters wart on my right foot. i smoked for 35yrs+ and had been cutting the planters wart off the bottom of my right foot for 20+yrs. it has been a whirlwind of truth and knowledge ever since he came and snatched me from satan’s grasp. would love sometime to meet u and share some of the wonderful things G_D is doing in my life. Back to the main subject. G_D thru the Holy Spirit, has revealed so much of the Bibles truth to me. i started seeing that what i had been taught as a child and young adult was so far from the truth that i started questioning everything i had been taught. after 3yrs i felt G_D leading me into sharing these truths with my family and my pastor at the time. that is when the problems started. i have since been told that i was out of church too long to understand G_D’s word or i was a pharisee or a legalist. i was told that love would win out over teaching against sin. i soon knew in my spirit that G_D was calling me to teach against the lies from the pulpit and the religious folk. about a year ago i was driving across the PA turnpk and i told G_D that if He wanted me to teach against the lies coming from the pulpits across this nation, in churches, on tv, on the radio that i would need His help. i asked Him to show me the scriptures they were using to justify their heresy and the scriptures that proved them wrong. two hrs later u came on a local radio station and begin to speak about this issue and furthermore gave it a name that i had never heard. OSAS. wow, G_D is faithful and He delivers. HALLELUJAH!! i now have ur 801 pg book and cds and tracts and the other book, The Myth about Eternal Security. what a wonderful source of material u provide!! EXHAUSTING. love it. PRAISE HIM AND BLESS HIS HOLY NAME!! now my family is desperately searching for a true Church. would like to know about the Apostolic church? as far as we can ascertain, this is the closest to our beliefs as we can find in our home area. we love to fellowship with true belivers and assemble for praise and worship. pretty much all other churches in our area are OSAS proponents or cling to the pagan worship of the unholy holidays. love to have ur input. keep on blessing with the truth. i pray that G_D continues to bless u ur family and your great and timely ministry. THANKS!!

(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

It is wonderful to read that you are no longer serving the devil. AMEN! You are now serving God and have a purpose to live. It is also wonderful to read that you are aware there are MANY FALSE teachings coming from the pulpits in our DARK day. (You have been reading your Bible, I can tell!)

We are shocked that you heard me on the radio about 1 year ago, while on the PA turnpike. To our knowledge I wasn’t on the radio around here then!!!! We have no idea how you heard our teaching, which helped you.

You asked about the Apostolics. They are also called United Pentecostals. They are NOT a good sound group to associate with. They believe the Trinity is of the devil, that Jesus is the Father, that you have to speak in tongues to be a Christian and one is NOT forgiven until he gets water baptized in Jesus’ name! In other words, they have a FALSE GOSPEL and should be avoided. Please read a refutation to their misuse of water baptism here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/baptism.htm

It is very hard, almost impossible, to find a sound church in our day. There will be a major APOSTASY which will happen before the Antichrist comes to the forefront (2 Thess. 2) and we might be in it now! Hence, be very careful. Stick to the Bible like glue and do plenty of personal reading in the New Testament.

Thanks for the kind words about our materials. GOD BLESS YOU. Heb. 3:14.

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(EMAIL) What is it that you are afraid of or trying to prove by your bent on teaching eternal security is wrong?

Jesus promised EVERLASTING LIFE. he also said all that the father hath give me are in the father hand and he was in the fathers hand an no man could pluck them out. The problem you have is defining ETERNAL AND EVERLASTING SIR.

(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

There are various reasons why we expose and refute the heresy of eternal security. Besides the command to do this in Jude 3,4, we have a great burden for all the SOULS deceived by that teaching. They are in adultery, drunkenness, theft, etc. and actually think they are Christians! Sad but true.

The POSSESSION of everlasting life can change, especially if one is not believing on Jesus anymore (Luke 8:13). We believe that we are saved by grace (Eph. 2:8,9) but we can fall from grace (Gal. 5:2-4). We are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1) but our faith can become shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19,20) and cease to exist (Lk. 8:13; Rom. 11:19-23). We are not under the law (Rom. 6:14,15) but if you live according to the sinful nature you will die (Rom. 8:13). Paul taught against legalism (Gal. 5:3,4) but he also taught that no immoral, impure or greedy person has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God (Eph. 5:5-7). We are not saved by works (Eph. 2:8,9) but to reap eternal life and not destruction you must sow to please the Spirit and not the sinful nature (Gal. 6:8,9). God is faithful to us (1 Jn. 1:9; 1 Cor. 10:13) but we must be faithful to him to the very end of our lives to escape the lake of fire or second death (Rev. 2:10,11). God surely loves us (Jn. 3:16; Mk. 10:21; Rom. 8:35-39) but those who inherit the kingdom of God love God (Jam 2:5; 1 Cor. 2:9) and to love God means to obey his commands (Jn. 14:15; 1 Jn. 5:3). We have freedom in Christ (Gal. 5:1) but this freedom is not to indulge the sinful nature (Gal. 5:13; 1 Pet 2:16).

You have referred to the following passage, so let’s take a close look at it:

John 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and THEY FOLLOW ME. John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

Please note that the ones that will “never perish” or get “snatched” from God’s hand, according to Jesus’ teaching, are only the ones who FOLLOW HIM. Also, the Greek tense of the word “follow” in v. 27 is a CONTINUOUS TENSE. Hence, this verse does NOT allow for one to stray into wickedness and maintain their salvation as it has been misused to teach. Please remember this .... Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU.

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(EMAIL) Hello there-I have long held deep suspicions about the how the doctrine of OSAS is not biblical and leads, for many, to a wanton disregard of God’s commands and a degenerate life.... grace “abounding” so that sin could increase. I am a member of a Presbyterian church, a leader, and have led bible studies and small groups for years. I have been teaching OSAS—but with a strong teaching emphasis on holiness and obedience, stressing that while we can rest on a grace-only foundation of salvation by faith through grace as the basis for eternal security, if we love God, we WILL obey Him and He has set us free from the law of sin and death for righteousness’ sake.

While my personal bible study leads me further away from the OSAS doctrine, I am reluctant to wholly embrace it because I came to faith as a result of OSAS! Before learning that Jesus died to take my sins away, and that this salvation had NOTHING to do with my works but only his finished work on the cross, I was a fear-ridden.. and ultimately sin-overcome... Catholic. The branch of Catholicism I grew up with taught that Jesus died to take away my sins... but that my eternal salvation was dependent on me NOT sinning and “keeping” the “free” gift I had been given. ...I understood the doctrine of OSAS to be that of a parent-child relationship: I have 3 children and they will never stop being my children. Even if they were to run away and do something bad, they are still mine.

...Again, the doctrine of OSAS led me out of the bondage of fear, sin and despair into a saving relationship with Jesus Christ that catapulted me out of the “sin cycle” and into a permanently-assured relationship based on love, not fear, which in my case only makes me want to obey Him and follow Him. God’s love as a permanent solid rock on which to stand has MADE me to stand. If that love were to be made conditional on my sinning or not sinning, then I am suddenly standing on quicksand, because I know that, i my flesh, I am nothing.

I just thought you might have a good response for me, specifically pertinent to my case. Many thanks in Him,

(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

It is good to read you are out of Catholicism but sad to read you are a Presbyterian (Calvinist). Eternal security and other false doctrines are rampant in your congregation. If you will go directly to the New Testament and read it with a willingness to believe whatever it says and to change accordingly, I sincerely believe God will open your eyes to the lethal dangers of once saved always saved.

You stated you teach OSAS with a strong emphasis on “holiness and obedience.” Such is technically impossible. There is NO holiness or obedience with eternal security. In fact, it is taught against with their version of “the sin unto death” and Rom. 7:14-25! Please make a note of this and come to reality about what you are referring to. There is nothing good about a doctrine designed by the devil which has damned multitudes over the years, that is, once saved always saved. Eternal security denies the often repeated truth that the righteous can die spiritually through sin.

I have also observed that you are like so many who want to think once saved always saved is not so bad by trying to link holiness to it, then you turn 180 degrees and refer to your children always being your children “even if they were to run away and do something bad” as support for this doctrine. In other words, even if your children would sin in a big time way [you are trying to make that] equal Christians who turn to live like the devil remaining saved! This shows the “license” for immorality your doctrine declares. It is vile. It is demonic. It is poison and Christians are commanded to fight against this counterfeit “grace” and false “gospel.”

Have you ever noticed that eternal security is actually anti-gospel? Don’t believe it? Ponder this verse:

By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. (1 Cor 15:2)

Other Scriptures could be cited to show it is not the real “gospel,” but ES (eternal security) teachers link it to such!

It is also IMPOSSIBLE for any heresy, regardless what the heresy is, to be the basis for which one comes to Christ and salvation. If you contest this, then give Scripture to support it or stop spreading such nonsense. People who come to salvation must REPENT of their sins and PLACE A SUBMISSIVE FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS (Acts 20:21). Such is NOT ES .... Remember Gal. 6:8,9 is a SALVATION passage not a rewards passage. GOD BLESS YOU. Heb. 3:14.

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(EMAIL) I enjoyed reading your article on line. As you probably know when we someone trusts Christ as their Savior they become a child of God, adopted into the family of God. This very word adopted is referred to in 5 places in the N.T. that you can look into yourself. I am sure that you understand the legal ramifications of adoption and that is why God, in inspiring the Scriptures used this illustration. It is permanent. When an adopted child disappoints his parents they do not put him out in the street. He remains their child. The parents may be disappointed and sad but the child remains in their family and restoration of their fellowship is made.

I could give many, many more biblical proofs for my position but I will share this with you and sign off....You must understand that a saved person is a NEW CREATURE! (2 Cor. 5:17) Old things are past away and all things are become new. When I trusted the Lord as my savior at age 17 I immediately was repulsed by my former lifestyle and turned away from it that very day because at that moment that I followed Romans 10 I became a NEW CREATURE. I don’t have to have the fear of hell in order to live a godly life. I only fear grieving the Holy Spirit and my heavenly Father and damaging my walk with Him. This is enough to cause me to live a godly life and abstain from the world and a life of sin. A truly converted person is not drawn to the wickedness of the world, it holds no power over him. If you wish, I would like to know your thoughts about these things.

(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

What you are doing is trying to offer support for a false doctrine by reasoning from the natural to the spiritual. Such is specifically condemned in Scripture (Col. 2:8) and rightly so since almost any weird teaching can find support that way. Though the word “adoption” or the like is found in Scripture it is NEVER used to teach once a son always a son. Please make a note of this and stop teaching it as you do.

Secondly, you “want it both ways.” By that I mean you first speak of a son who disappoints and saddens his father (referring to his sinning), then you say a new creation will “abstain from the world and a life of sin. A truly converted person is not drawn to the wickedness of the world, it holds no power over him.”

While once saved always teachers reason as you do in your first paragraph, that is a direct violation of 1 John 3:10. That Scripture could not be more clear to show that one’s PRESENT TENSE BEHAVIOR identifies him as a child of God or a child of the devil. That is the EXACT OPPOSITE of your teaching! Think! You are teaching anti-scripturally, just as the devil wants, by teaching eternal security and once a son always a son.

Though you also claim a new creation is not drawn into wickedness, the Bible is CLEAR again to show people who become new creations can backslide even as King David did into adultery and murder. Hence, TRUE Christians can backslide as David and will “die spiritually” for such, as shown in many Scriptures. See http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/spiritualdeath.htm ...GOD BLESS YOU. 1 Cor. 15:2.

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(EMAIL) Dear Christian brethren-I have just received your email-of which I was able to read testimonies of those who experienced Hell. First my question is where do you find hell in the scriptures to mean eternal torment-it is not there. You won’t find it in the Old Test. Nor will you find it in the New Test. The wages of sin is DEATH- not eternal torment. And Christ came to Save us from Death-so he died for the sin of the WORLD-and therefore Saved the World. Which is the Gospel. If he was to save us from eternal hell-then Christ would have had to first suffer this eternal hell, to save us. When God Raised Christ from the dead-he was the First Fruit of the great Harvest to follow. Please take the time to read the above teaching- “The Wages Of Sin Is Death”-Then you may care to correct any error you find in this teaching-I would be pleased to look at it....-Yours Sincerely in Christ

(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.

The doctrine of eternal conscious torment for the wicked dead is very disturbing, but Scriptural. Rather than rewrite all the evidence in this email, please read this http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/eternaltorment.htm

GOD BLESS YOU.

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