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(EMAIL) Jesus prayed to the Father in John 17 that his Father not take them out of the world, but that the Father keep them from the evil. In other words, Judas was out betraying Jesus and the 11 Jesus prayed that they be kept from the evil. Now this came to pass. The argument is that the prayer of Jesus would not fail for the 11 or for any who would believe.
Eternal Security as you call is not the promise to them here because there is no statement that they are relieved of the responsibility to endure until the end. There is no proof that the prayers of Jesus are of eternal effect to secure salvation for those who stop believing. Jesus prayed for those who would believe in him, that is continuously.
So I’m not an eternal security advocate.
However I believe we need clarification about when exactly is Salvation lost? Do we propose that the Lord writes and erases and writes names in and out of the book of life over and over again?
... But to say that spirutual death happens instantly with a person floating in and out the book of life for these sins and a person's name being blotted out and re-written over and over again seems to not have biblical foundation.
Jesus said that he would vomit the lukewarm out of his mouth. Clearly eternal security is in error for these people were part of the body of Christ and in danger of being expelled. But at the same time these people were not expelled the second they became lukewarm. They were given a chance to repent and buy of Christ Gold. Certainly it took time for the message of their grevious sin to travel from John to the Laodecian assemby.
So it would be helpful to present an argument as to when can a person know they are unsaved.
... Now of course the Galatians were back on the road to hell for believing a heretical gospel and Paul prayed that Christ be formed in them again (restoration). Saint Paul said, "you did run well." Certainly they were saved at first. He would not say, "ye did run well" to those who were never saved!
Now the shocker is this: Eternal security is really universalism. It proposes that "all will be saved." How do I know this? Well Jesus said except you become as a little child you shall not enter the kingdom of Heaven. ALL little children are saved. Hitler, when 1 years old, was saved. So was Stalin, Bin Laden, and mass killers, Judas, and those who NEVER accepted Christ in the first place. If they died at age one, they are saved by the doctrine of Christ: Little children are saved. (Suffer the little children to come to me for of such are the Kingdom of heaven, and their angels are always before my father ....) So if once saved always saved is true, the entire gospel effort is not needed for anyone for all were saved at age one! To say that one year olds GO TO HELL, well you have the original Calvinism again which contradicts the original doctrine of Christ.
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
The John 17 argument for eternal security is semi-common, but flawed like all of their arguments. In the same prayer from the Lord, he also prayed for unity among the believers (17:23), which clearly was not answered as evident by the divisions at Corinth. Hence, for one to think the Lord’s prayer is a guarantee of entering God’s kingdom if ever saved is doctrinally wrong.
It is not always perfectly clear when one loses his salvation, but in some cases it can happen with one sin as with Adam/Eve or if a Christian takes the mark of the beast. If one disowns Jesus, he will disown him and that can happen very fast too. However, with fruitlessness and being lukewarm it appears to be more gradual. The Bible speaks of drifting away in Heb. 2:1. Sin can cause our names to be blotted from the book of life (Ex. 32:32,33); apparently names can be placed back in since one can get saved again (Luke 15:24,32; James 5:19,20; Rom. 11:19-23). Perhaps God didn’t want us to have all the details. We have what we need and better put into practice his word for our own good and those we will influence.
Regarding eternal security proponents actually believing in “universalism,” have you seen our article cited here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/esnoes.htm
No doubt the Galatians who fell from grace were no longer saved. GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) I couldn’t sleep last night. I was disturbed by all the false, misleading, pseudo-Christian propaganda floating around from false prophets. I’m sure church buildings on Christmas eve will be full of people who darken the door once, maybe twice a year out of obligation. If history is a guide, they will get an ear-full of blather about how hard it was on Mary and Joseph, about the stable and (this is new to me this year) how “Jesus came to change the world” and to “show us how to live”. They’ll go away completely unaware of what satan and his forces have in store for them. I couldn’t get these thoughts out of my mind. Sorry for being gloomy, I’m feeling convicted about this. After a lot of praying last night I’m sure the Holy Spirit is telling me to hand out tracts in church parking lots this year.
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(EMAIL) I am very interested in receiving more information from you. Me and my girlfriend seem to disagree on this subject. She believes once saved always saved and I don’t. I have a friend who came to church was saved but now is back in drugs and claiming wiccan to be his religion. She says he will still go to heaven. Can you help me I have shown her scripture but maybe there’s something I’m missing.
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
If your friend was once saved, he surely is not now. It is impossible to be a Christian witch or Christian sorcerer. It is very basic, but nonetheless little known that the righteous can die spiritually. Please read this article carefully http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/spiritualdeath.htm
Enduring to the end is just as important as getting born again in the first place because without enduring to the end one will still go to hell. Ponder Mt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14 and Rev. 2:10,11.
Here is an article on spiritism http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/spiritsm.htm
GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) Just like you to know that I as a Seventh Day Adventist enjoy your literature and ministry. . . .
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
It is very rare that someone from the SDA church would compliment our ministry, especially when they then falsely accuse us of spreading lies about EG White. Did you know, EG White actually taught satan was the sin bearer, instead of the Lord Jesus. She also taught that the mark of the beast was Sunday worship! Neither of these can be backed with Scripture, but both are refuted with God’s word. In case you haven’t read all our materials on this group and her, click here http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/sabbath.htm
Did you ever notice you are NOT keeping the Saturday Sabbath command as given to Israel?
GOD BLESS YOU.
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(EMAIL) I was involved in the despicable sin of adultery for many years. I have since stopped that sin, and have asked God to forgive me and to cleanse me of all unrighteousness. At the time I thought i was saved(OSAS), looking back, i have seen the error of my ways. I no longer want to willfully sin, and have asked God to help walk this walk to;for help and deliverance from the evil one. Iwant God through Jesus Christ to saveme, and give me the strength and endurance to perserve until the end. I have read that unless i confess this sin to my wife i cannot be forgiven is this true? I would confess this sin to my wife if she asked. Also, on page 7 of your book "A Study on Biblical Salvation" you mention Proverbs 28:13. Is this what I am doing by not confessing my sin to my wife? Or is confession to the Lord enough. Please, please help me.
(REPLY) Greetings in Jesus’ name.
You stated you read:
"I have read that unless i confess this sin to my wife i cannot be forgiven."
Wherever you read that, the author is wrong. If that was true then how could the repentant thief get forgiven? How could the prodigal get forgiven? King David got forgiven of adultery and couldn't confess to Uriah.
Prov. 28:13 refers to confession to God in sorrow. You will endure to the end, IF you follow JESUS carefully. If you have our 801 page book please read the chapter on SAFEGUARDS. Hopefully, this information will help you.
GOD BLESS YOU. Remember 1 Cor. 2:9.
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