(ALL documentation for the following quotes is found in
the Christian book, The Believer's Conditional Security.)
Suicide is commonly defined as the taking of oneís own life. Should we really be surprised that someone would seriously consider suicide if he believes in once saved always saved?
Real Eternal Security Teachings Which Allow For Suicide or Worse
After all, if such a person once believed on Jesus and has been suffering from some sort of intense pain, is in a completely hopeless condition regarding that situation and no longer sees any purpose at all in his life, wouldnít the desire to escape that and go to a paradise heaven through suicide seem appealing, even if one would lose rewards as a consequence?
Wouldnít the temptation towards self-murder be even more magnified if large and influential ministries openly teach that a person previously saved would still go to heaven if he committed suicide?
If all that is true, then the stage is ideally set for suicides, as some of the most influential ministries in the world openly comment on this subject from their once saved always saved viewpoint and go unchallenged.
Minirth-Meier Clinic On SuicideAt the beginning of one of their radio broadcasts, the following was declared:
We tend to think that suicide does not occur in Christian families. And it does. There are thousands of Christians listening at this moment that are contemplating suicide.Then later in the same broadcast, a concerned caller phoned in:
Weíll go next to our own backyard, Arlington, Texas through KCBI. Lynn, thanks for holding so long. Sir, do you have a question?Clearly, it was Les Carterís belief in once saved always saved that caused him to answer this way.
Caller: Yes I do. I have a brother that lives in San Antonio. And he has a problem right now, I believe, with suicidal thoughts. And heís pretty, well, determined to commit suicide I do believe. He changes his mind very often and letís say he just is fixing to call me right now and heís already claimed to know that Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose the third day and he believes that he is saved through the blood of Jesus Christ. And letís say he calls me and he gives me two minutes to, to, to talk, to speak to him and well, what should I be able to tell him? Should I tell him that he has assurance that he would have eternal life even if he knew Jesus as Savior, or what are your comments on that?
Les Carter: Well, first I do believe that an individual that takes his life does not necessarily lose salvation. I believe that when you are saved, God is not going to kick you out of his family because of the flaws that you have. And so, I, Iím one of these that believes in the security of the believer.
Furthermore, if it was true as stated at the beginning of the same program that "there are thousands of Christians listening at this moment that are contemplating suicide," then there could have been hundreds of that number that came a step closer to self-murder because of that answer based on once saved always saved.
What Is Stanleyís Counsel To Suicidal People?Charles Stanley has one of the most influential ministries in the world. What does he pump out to his listening audience regarding suicide? Be assured it will always be consistent with his once saved always saved viewpoint.
Two of them call and were in the process of committing, gonna commit suicide. Tuesday morning another person called and thatís just, thatís just three just one week. Many times over a period of time, in fact probably about every six weeks or so, operator will call me in the middle of the night, 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 in the morning and say, "Now Dr. Stanley, I got this emergency call and this person says they are desperate and I want to give you the call." Now, they canít give them my number, but they do call me if itís an emergency. And so, I pick up the phone, call the number back and usually itís somebody whoís talking about suicide that time of the morning. And theyíve come from the west coast or east coast or wherever it might be and theyíre desperate. And the more we talk, the more we find out whatís going on in their life. Most of the time, well theyíll say, "Itís just hopeless, itís just hopeless, I just canít go on any longer ...."So if a believer ever decides to commit self-murder, he is already forgiven before the act, according to Stanley. One must then wonder if thatís true, then what if the same person would rob a chain of banks, become a serial murderer and serial rapist, then is he also already forgiven? Stanley would have to answer yes to be consistent! That means the next time you hear of a serial murderer in the news, that same person could be a Christian, according to Stanleyís teaching.
Now, when you come to the cross and you read the Scriptures, thereís not a single verse in the Scripture that says that you and I as believers have not been forgiven of every single thing. When Jesus went to the cross, what did he carry? He carried all our sin. How much of it? All of it. Did that include any sin, every sin, all sins? All sins. A believer who commits suicide is already forgiven. Now I didnít say it was gonna be good for them. I said theyíre forgiven. They are pardoned of that sin.
You say, "Wouldnít that encourage people to commit suicide?" No, I havenít finished yet. Because even though a believer commits suicide and there are believers who can get caught up in such pain and heartache, especially if theyíre believers for example, whoíve been in churches where itís performance, performance, performance, performance, performance. And they get in this legalistic rut and they think, "You know I canít perform, nothingís working, God where are you?" And so theyíve never been taught that God really loves them and so they donít feel Godís love. They canít experience Godís love. And they just see that theyíve made mistakes in life and itís all tragic and itís all a mess and so, Iíll just forget it. And then the question is, will God forgive? And sometimes, theyíll write notes, "I donít know whether Iíll be forgiven or not," but you know, theyíre checking out.
If you understand the cross, you have to understand that when Jesus Christ went to the cross, he took all of our sin. He said in 1 John he says, "My little children, these things I write unto you that you sin not. But if any man sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, the righteous. And he is the sacrifice for our sins and the sins of the whole world." How many sins? Let me tell you something. If you can name a single, solitary sin that anybody can commit who is a child of God thatís not under the blood, then friend we have a major problem in the whole theological realm. All our sin, past, present, and future went to the cross, because itís all future for us. He died 2,000 years ago. When he died on the cross, he took care of all of our sin. You say, "You mean to tell me that if a person takes their own life, after all these things that youíve just talked about, all these things of sins, that that personís forgiven?" Forgiven.
Now, but the issue is, what about the Judgment? Because that personís gonna stand in the Judgment of God having violated the principle of life and death itself. And what happens is, though they are saved, youíll recall he says in 1 Corinthians chapter 3 that when they come to the judgment seat of Christ, theyíre saved, as he says, so as by fire. That is, that person is going to lose reward.
Charles Stanleyís Ministry On SuicideIn summary, then, it is Dr. Stanleyís understanding on the basis of scripture that suicide does not result in the loss of salvation, but does certainly affect our rewards in heaven because it short circuits Godís plan for our life. Because it is outside Godís plan for us, it could never be seen as an option for the believer.From these we learn that Charles Stanley Ministries allows the unrepentant murderers (suicide victims) in heaven, if they ever for a moment of time had a saving faith in Christ. Hence, in keeping with once saved always saved, Stanley declares oneís spiritual condition at the very end of his life is totally irrelevant to his eternal destiny! In contrast, see Mt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11 cf. 21:8.
By teaching as he does about suicide, Charles Stanley (and others) places a loaded gun in the hands of the intensely suffering Christian, completely drained of all hope. For those who buy into once saved always saved, the sin of self-murder is actually a blessing, for it prematurely will end oneís pain here and send him quickly to a pain-free heaven (so he thinks)!
According to the Bible, the lake of fire, not heaven, is clearly the destiny of all unrepentant murderers (Rev. 21:8; 1 Jn. 3:15). Remember it is impossible for one who murders himself to afterwards repent!
Getting back to Stanleyís understanding of Scripture, he says:
No matter what you do as a child of God, you are forgiven. You say, "Murder?" Forgiven. "Stealing?" Forgiven. "Adultery?" Forgiven. "Worshiping idols?" Forgiven.Pandoraís box is clearly opened through once saved always saved. Limitless kinds of the most heinous sins known to mankind are no longer something to be avoided for salvationís sake, since the Christian is already forgiven even before the sin is committed! Elsewhere, Stanley said:
It is not lying, cheating, stealing, raping, murdering, or being unfaithful that sends people to hell.To hold to a theology in which man can do something that throws him back into a state of spiritual deadness, thus denying God His predetermined purpose, is to embrace a system in which man is in the driverís seat and God is just a passenger.If there ever existed a distortion of Scripture and a counterfeit grace message that is, in reality, a license for immorality this type of teaching has to be it! This isnít the good news the Bible speaks of. It is bad news for all who accept it.
There is no way to know how many suicides, broken families through divorce, and criminal acts that have occurred because of once saved always saved, which continues to flood forth.
"If I Knew I Was Going To Heaven, I Would Do It"On December 9, 1992, a distraught proponent of once saved always saved called in to The Bible Answer Man radio broadcast. The dialogue that proceeded between that woman (Marie), Ron Rhodes and Paul Carden is the strongest possible evidence to prove that the belief in once saved always saved is conducive to suicide. That entire three-way conversation is unedited:Paul: Next on the line, Marie in San Diego, California on KPRZ. Youíre on the air.With Marieís own personal testimony as a person who embraced once saved always saved and was contemplating suicide, we now have a precedent since she said she would kill herself, if she knew she would go to heaven! This should remove all doubt about how the belief in once saved always saved encourages suicide for some. There is no way to know how many others like Marie were listening to that broadcast and were adversely affected because of once saved always saved! On the other hand, Marie also said:
Marie: Hi, appreciate your ministry. Iím glad to get through, itís taken a while. Uh, I have a sort of a two fold question. One of them sort of does refer to that Hebrews passage.
Paul: Um, hum.
Marie:If a Christian is saved, and commits suicide, what Scripture is there to document that they would go to heaven or hell?
Paul: Ron Rhodes.
Ron: Well, let me begin by pointing out that in Scripture, suicide is definitely portrayed as a sin against God. Uh, suicide is murder and the Bible says "You shall not murder," Exodus 20, verse 13. Thatís from the Ten Commandments.
Marie: Even though murder is referring to someone else.
Ron: Well, it doesnít necessarily have to.
Paul: Weíre talking about killing.
Ron: It makes no difference whether itís your life or someone elseís life, so it is a form of murder and the really, the backdrop to the whole thing is that all life is said to belong to God. He alone has the right to take life, according to Scripture -- Deuteronomy 32 verse 39 and Job 1 verse 21.
And even as you look at individuals in the Bible who wanted to commit suicide but still wanted to follow God, they never tried to take their lives, rather they prayed like Jonah, "Lord please take my life from me for it is better for me to die than to live." You see, even though Jonah wanted to die, he knew that that was Godís place. All life and death belongs to God because God is the Lord over life and death.
Paul: What prompts your question, Marie?
Marie: Uh, certainly contemplating it, but I, but I wouldnít want to do it if I was going to hell.
Paul: Youíre talking you are personally contemplating suicide, Marie?
Paul: You are contemplating suicide?
Marie: Yeah, but I believe in eternal security. See, if I knew I was going to heaven, I would do it.
Paul: Marie, excuse me. There is no circumstance under which suicide would be justified in your life, none.
Paul: You need to understand that right now.
Ron: Suicide is never ever an answer. As a matter of fact, uh, there are a couple of suicides recorded in Scripture but it was always recorded in a sense that was not approved of by God.
Ron: And, uh, what God tells us is that even though he will not protect us and keep us out of individual problems that we may encounter, he will always walk with us through those problems.
Paul: Marie, I know you are on radio, but nobody knows who you are. Why are you considering suicide?
Marie: Well, itís, itís, itís kind of personal. I just, I just wanted to know the, uh, you know, the Scripture verses, if, uh, you know, that, you know ....
Paul: We want to help you. Are you willing to get help for whatever it is that is leading you to contemplate this course of action?
Marie: Iíve tried already, and itís†....
Paul: Are you willing to try one more thing? Your life is precious, Marie, more precious than, than we can adequately express to you. And if you will live, God will use you. He will turn this around but we want to get you help. Marie, will you accept our help? Will you let us try?
Marie: But I donít understand why you wonít answer my question about the, uh, about the, the eternal security and the verses.
Paul: Okay, once again, thatís, thatís really irrelevant to your question. I mean if a Christian dies, uh, a Christian will, will in all likelihood, uh, spend eternity with Christ, but that is no excuse to take your life. None whatsoever. You cannot, you must not do that under any circumstances, Marie. We want to help you. You are, if you love God, I donít see how you can do that.
Ron: You are eternally secure. Anyone who has trusted in Christ is eternally secure, and I think this is clear from Ephesians 4:30 and Romans 8, John chapter 2 and John chapter 10 and a number of other passages. But the Lord of the universe, your Shepherd, your Savior, is at your disposal and wants to see you through whatever difficulty you are facing right now. I think back to the time of David. David often had situations in which he just wanted to give up.
Paul: All of us do.
Ron: We all do, thatís right, but what David did was he focused on Godís faithfulness in his own past and in the past of his nation. He reminded himself about how God had done this and that for him in the past. He looked at the promises of God and the living Savior ministered to his needs and every time, without exception, the Lord delivered him through the circumstances.
The same is true in the New Testament of the Apostle Paul. Paul was shipwrecked, he was bitten by snakes, he was beat up, 39 lashings by the Jews, uh, one thing after another happened to him, but the Apostle Paul was delivered through each one of them by the living Shepherd who accompanied him. And, uh, the same thing is true of you and me. Each one of us face different difficulties in life, but our Shepherd walks with us. He calls us to follow his lead, and following his lead will never result in suicide.
Paul: Marie, please, let us help you. Please, stay on the line and let us help you.
Paul: Alright. Hang on, someone will talk to you immediately. This is The Bible Answer Man broadcast. I encourage our listeners to pray for Marie ....
I wouldnít want to do it [suicide] if I was going to hell.This proves that teachings on the believerís security from a conditional point of view would be a deterrent to suicide, especially for those who have been contemplating it like the Marie type.
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The Death Of Kenneth NallyIn the 1980ís, Grace Community Church had a lawsuit brought against it over clergy counsel rendered to Kenneth Nally, a suicidal young man who afterwards killed himself. His death led to that lawsuit against Grace Community Church. The teaching of once saved always saved was directly related to the lawsuit:
The judge dismissed the case, but an appeals court overruled him, basing its decision in part on a tape of pastor Rich Thomsonís Bible class 18 months after Kennethís suicide. In it the preacher says "Suicide is one of the ways that the Lord takes home a disobedient believer†...†Suicide for a believer is the Lord saying, ĎOkay, come on home. Canít use you anymore on earth. If youíre not going to deal with those things in your life, come on home.í " (The judge has ruled that the tape cannot be introduced as evidence.)
At the trial, MacArthur, 45, is seeking to clarify his churchís teaching on suicide. "Itís not only a sin, itís illegal," he says. "But we teach that even if a believer takes his own life, the Lord will still receive him into His presence" (ellipsis his).
In the opening weeks of trial in the Los Angeles suburb of Glendale, the case against the church had focused on allegations that the pastors advised Kenneth Mark Nally, 24, that if he was saved he would go to heaven even if he killed himself ....†
Religious language, normally ruled extraneous to court decisions, was critical in the plaintiffsí view because of testimony indicating that the pastors taught that a "saved" person would go to heaven despite committing suicide; according to attorney Barker, such teaching could have been interpreted as a "green light" by Nally to kill himself.
John MacArthur CommentsJohn MacArthur comments on that incident in one of his own books:In 1980, Grace Community Church was hit with a lawsuit charging that the pastors on our staff were negligent because we tried to help a suicidal young member of our church by giving him biblical truth. It was the first clergy malpractice case ever heard in the American court system. The secular media had a field day as the case dragged on for years. Some nationally aired tabloid-type programs even alleged that our church had encouraged the young man to kill himself, teaching him that suicide was a sure way to heaven. Of course, that was not true. He knew from Scripture that suicide is wrong. We urged him to let the Word of God lead him to intimate knowledge and appropriation of the resources available in the One who wanted to heal his troubled mind. Tragically, he refused our counsel and took his own life.While it is inconceivable that Grace Community Church would ever directly encourage any believer to commit suicide, the act will always be a viable possibility for those who put two and two together and come up with four, like Marie did who called into The Bible Answer Man.
"That Would Be Consistent With His Belief System"While answering a question on The Bible Answer Man, Hank Hanegraaff stated what is consistent with the once saved always saved belief system regarding suicide. His assessment holds true for all who teach once saved always saved. Consider the implications of the once saved always saved teaching. Stanley is no exception.
Caller: ...†My husband listens to Charles Stanley sometimes ....†And he said that if a born again Christian is walking, has a strong walk with the Lord, and suddenly for some reason commits suicide, that they could still go to heaven. Theyíll just lose, lose all their treasures in heaven. But they will go.Hanegraaff stated that there was no Biblical precedent for saying a believer would go to hell, if he committed suicide. Could it be that he has never connected 1 Jn. 3:15b and Rev. 21:8 to this form of premeditated self-murder?
Hank: Yeah, well Charles Stanley does believe in eternal security, so I would think that would be consistent with his belief system, at least in terms of that person that commits suicide going to heaven. Obviously, a sin like that against a temple of the Holy Spirit is a very grievous sin. God is the controller of death and life and we should not take that control into our own hands. So weíre talking about something that is very, very serious. However, I donít see any Biblical precedent for saying that a believer, a born again believer committing suicide would go to hell. I do know that there are churches that would teach that. I donít find a Biblical precedent for saying that, and again, the Scripture is the final court of arbitration. Itís not my word or anybody elseís word, so I would agree with Charles Stanleyís assessment of that situation. As far as losing all of their rewards, I donít know that we could say that categorically either, because when we stand in the great assize with people from every tongue and tribe and nation, God then will be determining what rewards we do or do not get.
Ron: ...†And what Hank said was exactly right. You canít say that God is going to take all rewards because of one act or one lapse of judgment of a person. God is a perfect judge so while suicide is a heinous sin against man and God, God himself is a perfect judge and I believe that that person, if he really trusted in Christ, will be with Christ in heaven.
David Jeremiah On SuicideThe frequency of suicides again surfaces as Dr. Jeremiah adds his thoughts with the others, as itís his turn to answer a question that often comes.
I ought to pause for just a moment and answer a question that often comes to me. Iíve had the funerals of a number of people whoíve taken their own lives. And quite often family members will come and say "Is there any forgiveness if someone takes their own life?" And I need to report that that sin is neither accorded any greater or lesser value in the economy of God than the other sins which are chronicled in the word of God. And it is possible, I believe, for a person who has gone through some terrible stress in their life and in a moment of not thinking clearly has ended their life.
That person very easily might find his place in heaven, especially because he could have given his heart to Christ in this life. And even to take oneís life does not undo what God does in the inward act of salvation. But any of you who have been close to that or have been around it can testify to the fact that it is the most difficult and it is perhaps the cruelest thing that a person can do to those who are close. It leaves so many questions and hurts and those who knew and loved Saul having heard of his death must have wept and mourned even as David did in the first chapter of second Samuel. What a tragic ending ....
June Hunt On SuicideJune Hunt likewise responds in a vague way about suicide. The following is her answer as she dialogues with her co-announcer, Carl.
June: Well, technically, Carl, a person who has truly entered into a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, let me ask you this, how many of their sins were forgiven once they entered into that relationship with him?June Hunt sounds like Charles Stanley on this issue. How anyone could teach all of our future sins are already forgiven, even before they are committed is incredible, especially considering the clarity of 1 Jn. 1:9.
Carl: Well, I believe all of mine have been.
June: Yes, because thatís what Scripture teaches.
Carl: Past, present and future.
June: And future. So the issue is, all of our sins are already forgiven.
Robert Morey On SuicideJust because youíre converted this does not mean that you cannot have mental problems due to chemical imbalances or other things. Thus suicide is never described as the unforgivable sin. It is maybe the unforgettable but never the unforgivable and a Christian can do any sin except that which is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. And thus Christians can commit suicide. Itís horrible, it happens, but it does not automatically mean theyíre not saved.From all that, Robert Morey shows that he does not really believe to be saved one must endure to the end in the way of holiness, since a suicide victim dies as an unrepentant murderer!
Also, Morey implies that only those who commit the unforgivable sin will go to the lake of fire! However, Rev. 21:8 doesnít limit the ones who will be thrown into that place to just those who commit the unforgivable sin. In fact, such isnít even cited in that list, but the murderer is.
Adrian Rogersí Ministry On SuicideIn a personal letter from Adrian Rogersí ministry, we read the following about suicide:
Nevertheless, some Christians, I am sure, do commit suicide and in that case suicide is forgivable, just as any sin is forgivable, because Christ paid the penalty (see 1 John 2:12.). A true born-again child of God, Dan, can never loose [sic] their salvation.To misuse 1 Jn. 2:12, which refers to our past sins, is a travesty! The same writer of that passage also gave us 1 Jn. 1:9 which is clear about receiving forgiveness of sins after the point of salvation. Please note his conditional word if.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 Jn. 1:9, NKJV).
David Breese On SuicideQ. My uncle was a suicide. Will he be in heaven?Just like other once saved always saved proponents, Breese reveals that oneís final spiritual condition is totally irrelevant as to where he will spend eternity.
A. If your uncle knew Jesus Christ as his personal Savior, he will be in heaven. If not, he will be lost. We go to heaven not because of the manner of our own death, but because of the sacrificial death of Christ on the cross.
World Prophetic Ministry On SuicideWe should not be too surprised with the following, either:
Whatever sin there is in suicide is included in the sins for which Jesus Christ died on Calvary, and for which forgiveness has been purchased. Thus, he would not be excluded from Heaven because of this act of self-destruction if he were genuinely Born Again ....†If God is going to keep a Christian out of Heaven for suicide, then He will also have to exclude all Christian liars, coveters, those who lose their temper, those who take sides in church trouble, and so on ....†Since you cannot be saved by doing any kind of works, then how can you be lost by doing any kind of works, even self destruction? ...†any Christian who takes his own life will feel ashamed before the Lord at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
J. Vernon McGee On SuicideQ. I was completely surprised when one of my friends from church committed suicide. How could a Christian kill himself?McGee admits a suicide doesnít have time to confess to get forgiven. But it seems to escape him that a murdererís identity isnít changed until he gets forgiven. This isnít judging, itís declaring the clear message of Scripture.
A. Now a Christian is a person who has accepted Christ and has been born again by the Spirit of God, indwelt by the Spirit of God. That cannot be changed at all. That Christian can get into sin as the prodigal son did, but he can always go home.
How can a Christian commit suicide? That is a sin, and somebody points out that they donít have time to ask for forgiveness. Well, I think there are many Christians who die with unconfessed sins. They are going to have to settle them at the judgment seat of Christ. Paul, you remember, said if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. Certainly a suicide wouldnít have much of a chance to confess. However, I can understand that a Christian may think he has gotten into a situation where there is no way out. He gets so down that he turns to suicide as the only alternative he can see.
And I can understand that a Christian might have a mental breakdown, a catastrophic illness, or certain other things which might cause him to do this. I would not sit in judgment upon a professing Christian who does this because, to begin with, the minute he commits this act he is out of your hands and out of my hands. We cannot pass judgment on him. And I do know this: if that person is a child of God, he is saved. I donít care what you say, he is saved if he is a child of God (italics his).
Radio Bible Class On SuicideWe can be certain that God will not cancel the salvation of a person who takes his own life.
Bob Georgeís Ministry On SuicideBob George also promotes suicide through his teachings:Only God actually knows who is a true Christian, one who has accepted the resurrected Christ into his life. Since suicide is an "illness" of the brain-of the mind (if you will), a person who is born-again will go to heaven if they commit suicide.
Joseph C. Dillow On SuicideIn conclusion, there is no justification in this passage for the teaching that a believer can commit some sin, even suicide, which can in any way affect his eternal destiny.
Erwin Lutzer On SuicideThis morning a note was on my desk telling of a born-again Christian who committed suicide. He walked outside and shot himself, leaving behind a grieving wife and shocked children. The reasons are unclear, except that He [sic] was weary of the emotional pain he suffered when he was abused as a child. Though he loved Christ, he thought he just couldnít take it anymore.
Of course no one knows the heart of a person except God. But Iím convinced that those who have trusted Christ are in heaven today even if they die with the sin of murder on their conscience. Even rebellious sheep are taken from earth to heaven.
If A Christian Commits Suicide, Does He Go To Heaven?This question will continue to be asked, If a Christian commits suicide, does he still go to heaven? Thatís another way of asking if a person once saved dies as an unrepentant, premeditated murderer, does he go to heaven?
Unfortunately, many large and influential ministries are openly teaching the logical conclusion of once saved always saved regarding suicide and unequivocally answering yes, as you have just read multiple times.
One exception to this, at least at one point, is D. James Kennedy, who embraces the moderate view of once saved always saved, and who wrote the following:
Judas, in his apostasy, committed suicide, and thus demonstrated that he was not truly a believer.Regarding Judas, he was no longer a Christian even before the point of his suicide. However, that doesnít mean he never was, which has been Scripturally proven elsewhere in my book, The Believer's Conditional Security.
Jack Hayford On SuicideAnother teacher who needs to be cited is Jack Hayford. Though he often sounds like an once saved always saved proponent, he does not accept it. However, he too overlooks Rev. 21:8 and 1 Jn. 3:15b to embrace his compromised position on suicide:
That I want everyone to understand that it is error to suppose that simply because a person commits suicide, they therefore have lost their eternal soul. That having said that does not mean it is not possible for a person to lose their soul when theyíve been saved. But it is an extremely demanding and difficult thing to lose your soul. If you want to, you can do it. It can be done. And there are people that have done it.Remember this, like abortion, suicide is just another name for murder . However, to be more exact, suicide is premeditated self-murder. But even beyond this, it is the kind of murder one cannot repent of! Unlike David, who had another murdered but was later forgiven, suicide victims cannot repent to find forgiveness.
Donít be deceived, all unforgiven murderers, without exception, do not have eternal life and will end up in the lake of fire:
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him (1 Jn. 3:15, NKJV).But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death (Rev. 21:8, NKJV).No exception to the above is made anywhere in Scripture for a person who was once saved, then commits suicide because of a bad combination, that is, painful circumstances, hopelessness and a belief in once saved always saved!
Some have tried to excuse the sin of suicide (premeditated self-murder) with the following rationale: "If one is mentally ill, he isnít responsible for his actions." To excuse any form of murder this way, including self-murder, is not Scriptural. There is absolutely no Biblical backing for such a statement! Besides, mental illness isnít the root of sin, the heart of man is. Jesus tells us where murder proceeds from:What comes out of a man is what makes him Ďunclean.í For from within, out of menís hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man Ďuncleaní (Mk. 7:20-23, NIV).Please note that murder (regardless the form) comes from the heart and is not a mental illness, according to the Lord!
Some Christians will be, and in fact are now, heavily distressed over their personal circumstances. Subtly, the devil has given some once saved always saved adherents the idea to escape their problems through suicide and go to heaven. Sadly, the Tempterís thoughts have been reinforced by many once saved always saved teachers. Since once saved always saved is unscriptural, such people who yield to this temptation wonít be going to heaven, since they committed murder and couldnít repent of it!
It is vitally important that suicide, like other satanic temptations, be steadfastly resisted. In other words, donít even for a moment entertain suicidal thoughts. Such Christians who yield to this satanic temptation of murder will only be intensifying their own pain and misery in eternity, not escaping it!
The true plan of salvation is repentance towards God and faith in Christ Jesus (Acts 20:21). We prove our repentance by our deeds (Acts 26:20). The Lord Jesus taught the road to life is "hard" and only a "few" will find it (Mt. 7:13,14, NKJV). Many get saved, but afterwards fall away (Lk. 8:13; Jn. 6:66; 1 Tim. 1:19; etc.). In other words, after initial salvation we must endure to the "end" to enter the kingdom of God and escape the lake of fire (Mt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11). Eternal life comes to the repentant the moment such believe on Jesus for salvation (Jn. 3:16; 6:47; 1 Jn. 5:12,13), but there is another important aspect of eternal life that many are totally unware of in our day because of the false teaching of eternal security. According to true grace teaching, eternal life is also a HOPE (Titus 3:7), yet to be REAPED (Gal. 6:8,9) in the AGE TO COME (Mk. 10:30) for only the ones who PERSIST IN DOING GOOD (Rom. 2:7) and DO NOT GROW WEARY AND GIVE UP (Gal. 6:9).
The True Plan of Salvation
If a saved person sows to please his sinful nature he'll die spiritually (Rom. 8:13; Gal. 6:8,9). The prodigal is a clear example of this (Lk. 15:24,32). The end result of sin is spiritual death, so DO NOT BE DECEIVED (James 1:14-16). For purchasing information regarding The Believer's Conditional Security, see our Evangelical Books page. Our 801 page book, The Believer's Conditional Security, is the most exhaustive and comprehensive refutation to eternal security ever written. It will not be refuted!
Because of the teaching of once saved always saved, grace has been taught as a license for immorality for so long, and without challenge, that when Scripture is quoted, such as 1 Cor. 6:9,10 or Rev. 21:8, it is disregarded, and the giver of God's Word is falsely accused of teaching legalism, bondage, works, etc. This reflects how truly dark are the days in which we live! The ACID TEST question to know if a ministry or local congregation is teaching a license for immorality as condemned by Jude 3,4 is related to King David when he was in adultery and murder! To sit under a license to sin teaching could mean that your soul and the souls of your loved ones will be eternally damned as a result. To support and promote such a ministry and teaching is to share in its wicked work (2 Jn. 9-11). This includes your financial donations! Flee from such a ministry or congregation and encourage others to do the same before it's eternally too late.
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