Debate Challenge on ETERNAL SECURITYI, Dan Corner, openly challenge any and all qualified advocates of eternal security
(also known as once saved always saved or the perseverance of the saints) to publicly debate
this issue with me in a fair, equally-timed exchange of ideas.
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The common and accepted eternal security definition is, once a person becomes saved by the grace of God he will ALWAYS remain saved. Hence, that is why this teaching is often called once saved always saved. The rest of the eternal security definition, though usually unspoken but understood, is: That Christian will remain saved regardless how far he backslides and plunges into sin, becomes lukewarm and unforgiving, bears no fruit, disowns Jesus and/or apostatizes doctrinally even to the point of becoming an atheist, suicide, etc.! The George Sodini homicides and suicide in 2009 are proof. Eternal security proponents think if one was ever saved, at any point in his life, he will always remain saved and his salvation is never jeopardized under any circumstances! That is the only way they teach John 10:28 and their never perish distortion from that verse.
The Truth About Eternal Security or Once Saved Always Saved
Eternal Security Proponents Want It Both WaysEternal security proponents want it both ways. Their other message is designed to conceal their obvious license to sin, but only used with certain people, especially Christians contending for the faith (Jude 3,4). Specifically that message taught by the eternal security teachers is their never saved or false convert argument, which quickly becomes falsified in light of the time King David sinned. [Eternal security proponents never say King David lost his salvation or he was never saved before he fell into adultery and murder! Neither do they say that about Solomon, who turned to idolatry.] It should also be noted that it is logically inconsistent for any eternal security proponent to ever say another person was never saved or is not saved now, based on their present tense sinful behavior, even if they are a Hindu, Muslim, witch doctor, child molester, serial killer, serial rapist, etc.! WHY? Because their doctrine says, if they, at any time in their entire life, had a saving faith, they are still saved because once saved always saved, once in grace always in grace, once a son always a son!
Did You Know The Heresy of Eternal Security Is Connected To The Gospel and Grace By Some?
QUESTION: What Is The Greatest Doctrinal Threat To Holiness?
Eternal Security Is An Ear-Tickling Poisonous LIEThough popular, eternal security is a venomous LIE often wrongly taught as grace and related to Jesus' blood and the infinite work of Christ, which has caused MANY unwary Christians to lower their guard and become victims of spiritual death. Such twice lost people also do not recognize their vital need of repentance for salvation. Sometimes they will refer to themselves as a Christian alcoholic, Christian addicted to pornography, etc. under their so-called carnal Christian label! Such people are actually described in 2 Peter 2:20-22, but too spiritually blinded to recognize it.
Though it should never be, the lingering question for many remains: Is once saved always saved or a conditional security the Biblical truth? While some Bible believers embrace a conditional security in Christ (or NO eternal security) most professing Christians live in no fear of God or concern about sinning as they embrace once saved always saved. Too many continue to be tossed back and forth on this salvation-related issue, but this need not be the case. Below is a vast array of Bible-based teachings on this very crucial issue. They range from spiritual death to imputed righteousness to the false accusation of a works salvation, etc., which dismantle eternal security (or once saved always saved) piece by piece.
Beyond all of that, available here are various anti eternal security audio and video interviews as well as a few eternal security debates on radio with Dan Corner. He is the author of the 801 page book, "The Believer's Conditional Security: Eternal Security Refuted," the most exhaustive book ever written refuting eternal security. [Click on book picture in upper left corner to order with FREE materials and prompt shipment.] That book has helped many spiritually. "The Myth of Eternal Security" (230 pages) is another powerful book refuting once saved always saved. All of the following will help you better understand this massive problem with eternal security and how to counter it. Please don't be duped by the popularity of once saved always saved. It is NOT Biblical even though various scriptures, such as John 10:28 and Phil. 1:6, have been misused as backing. The only assurance of salvation is for the present-tense follower of Jesus - those who have [present tense] the Son (1 John 5:12).
Be assured that Evangelical Outreach does not teach a works salvation or legalism. Those are some of the strawman arguments and misconceptions about a conditional security used to smear our Christian beliefs. Dan Corner teaches we are saved by grace (Eph. 2:8,9) but we can fall from grace (Gal. 5:2-4). We are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1) but our faith can become shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19,20) and cease to exist (Lk. 8:13; Rom. 11:19-23). We are not under the law (Rom. 6:14,15) but if you live according to the sinful nature you will die (Rom. 8:13). Paul taught against legalism (Gal. 5:3,4) but he also taught that no immoral, impure or greedy person has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God (Eph. 5:5-7). We are not saved by works (Eph. 2:8,9) but to reap eternal life and not destruction you must sow to please the Spirit and not the sinful nature (Gal. 6:8,9). God is faithful to us (1 Jn. 1:9; 1 Cor. 10:13) but we must be faithful to him to the very end of our lives to escape the lake of fire or second death (Rev. 2:10,11). God surely loves us (Jn. 3:16; Mk. 10:21; Rom. 8:35-39) but those who inherit the kingdom of God love God (Jam 2:5; 1 Cor. 2:9) and to love God means to obey his commands (Jn. 14:15; 1 Jn. 5:3). We have freedom in Christ (Gal. 5:1) but this freedom is not to indulge the sinful nature (Gal. 5:13; 1 Pet 2:16). God is to be obeyed and feared.
One of the greatest unrecognized spiritual dangers for those who believe the Bible and that we are saved by grace and not by works (Eph. 2:8,9) is the doctrine of demons and false gospel of eternal security (once saved always saved). The eternal security teachers are very dangerous people, but are exalted and supported even by those who supposedly don't believe in once saved always saved! No doubt Joseph Prince salary is pumped up because of this! The spiritual treason in our day is horrible to the eternal harm of SOULS.
"The greatest doctrinal threat to holiness is the heretical doctrine of eternal security or once saved always saved."
-- Dan Corner
Dave Hunt Vs Dan Corner Eternal Security Debate (The above could be renamed Eternal Security Vs Losing Salvation Debate)
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Eternal Security and The Related Examined and Refuted With Scriptures
The Righteous Can Die SpirituallyThere are many death blows to eternal security (or once saved always saved) found in Scripture. At the very core of this non-Christian doctrine is the concept that a person once saved (a righteous person) can not experience spiritual death over any sin. The clarity of the Scriptures to the contrary is overwhelming from Genesis through Revelation. Spiritual death is NOT the same as eternal damnation.Eternal Security Is Another GospelEternal security is a false gospel and counterfeit grace message, which is built upon partial truths and Scripture removed from its context. Many are in hell now because of the once saved always saved doctrine.Imputed Righteousness And Eternal SecurityFrom the viewpoint of Calvinism and the eternal security proponent, imputed righteousness simply stated is: a person once saved is holy and righteous without living holy and righteously. The once saved always saved lie is foundational to their dark view.The Never Really Saved Argument ScrutinizedFrom the viewpoint of an eternal security proponent, once saved always saved is foundational to grace and salvation. If eternal security is challenged, in defense they often revert to their never saved to begin with argument which confuses the issue and is easy to refute. Here is the proof.Eternal Security And The Sin Unto DeathYou will probably never hear any eternal security teacher say outrightly their doctrine is a license for immorality. In fact, they will most often flatly deny this charge sometimes to the point of yelling slander. However, there are still various ways these eternal security people teach this very thing they hate to be identified with. Certainly one is through their version of the sin unto death.The Gospel According To Charles StanleyCharles Stanley is the number 1 most influential once saved always saved Baptist teacher in the world. That eternal security Baptist has spread that false gospel in various ways including in his book entitled, Eternal Security: Can You Be Sure. Here is a Biblical refutation of that book with his false gospel of once saved always saved. The Bible teaches once saved NOT always saved.The Sinful Lifestyles Of The Eternal Security ProponentsFor a Christian to believe any once saved always saved proponent is living holy is a contradiction to both the embraced doctrine cherished by that once saved always saved proponent and what the Bible declares about a sinner, a slave to sin and those not obeying God, which once saved always saved people identify themself as.Eternal Security: A Doctrine of DemonsSome teachings originate with demons (1 Tim. 4:1)! Even the devil can quote Scripture (Mt. 4:6), so we must be on guard because teachings of demons will not necessarily be filled with apparent holes. Is it ludicrous for a "doctrine of demons" to come through respected and popular eternal security teachers? Be on your guard always especially with the KJV once saved always saved proponents.The Image of a Christian In Our Present-DayThe image of a Christian now is a sinister, evil and ugly distortion which allows for gross wickedness and salvation too. It is a powerless and unholy image. The once saved always saved (or eternal security) lie has been accepted, treasured and defended by people who love a lie.True or False Conversion is Not The Big IssueThe real issue isn't if one was truly saved or not (even though that is important), but instead is he saved now. Since eternal security is false, once saved always saved refuted needs to be the catalyst of our teaching.1 Cor. 5:5 and CalvinismMany people cite 1 Cor. 5:5 to support their belief in once saved always saved or eternal security (the fifth point of Calvinism). Does it really teach eternal security?A Christian's Future Sins Are NOT Automatically ForgivenThe security-in-sin or once saved always saved teachers are spiritually dangerous people. Besides all of the other grievous declarations they make, some have also gone so far as to say that a Christian's future sins are already forgiven, even before they are committed. Don't be deceived by the DANGEROUS eternal security teachers.Is The Calvinism of Our Day Different Than It Originally Was?Calvinism has always allowed for a Christian to be immoral under their warped concepts of grace and salvation.Eternal Security Teachers Are Very Dangerous PeopleThough it may seem exaggeratory, the once saved always saved teachers are vastly more dangerous than quack medical doctors or even serial murderers. Once saved always saved teachers are VERY DANGEROUS! That includes TBN Joseph Prince Remember that truth.Do All 5 Points Of Calvinism Hang Or Fall Together?How logical is it for such a person who calls himself a Calvinist to be less than a 5 point Calvinist in light of the theology of Calvinism? (Read more about the 5 Points of Calvinism.)Christians Can Quickly Turn To Another GospelGal. 1:8,9 magnify the one and only gospel to the zenith of importance by stating that even if Paul, one of God's angels or anyone else would preach a gospel that is different than the one Paul preached, then let that person be eternally condemned.Rick Knapp Convinced Killer George Sodini About Eternal SecurityCan someone commit mass murder then still go to heaven? This mass murderer-suicide was convinced by an once saved always saved teacher that he could before he did!Saved So As By Fire Argument (1 Cor. 3:11-15)One of the primary arguments the eternal security teachers use to support the widespread belief that a saved person can be wicked, ungodly, vile, unfruitful, negligent and the like, without losing salvation is 1 Cor. 3:11-15. That is their saved so as by fire argument.David Bercot Gets The Skull and Crossbones AwardBook review of his book, Will the real heretics please stand up? Though Bercot rejects eternal security (or once saved always saved), his doctrine is FAR from sound. He has been a stumbling block for some who know eternal security is false.Eternal Security -- Dripping With A License For ImmoralityBe assured that the eternal security teachers will deny that their doctrine is a license for immorality, but that doesn't change reality. There are various ways we can know the truth about this doctrine which is so dearly embraced by the deceived multitudes. Here are a few concepts that should drive home this point about eternal security (or once saved always saved) being a license for immorality.The Mythical god of Eternal SecurityAs strange as this might sound to some, the god associated with the eternal security doctrine is not only non-existent, but is often the exact opposite of the God of the Bible.10 Misconceptions About A Conditional SecurityThe following are misconceptions and strawman arguments that eternal security (or once saved always saved) people use to falsely accuse and discredit Christians like us who teach a conditional security for the believer.Dave Hunt's Dangerous Misrepresentation Of ArminiusIn Dave Hunt's book, What Love Is This?, Hunt shockingly presents Jacob Arminius as someone who taught eternal security! This is a gross misrepresentation.Saving Faith and the John MacArthur SmokescreenMany people understand saving faith to be what John MacArthur, who believes in once saved always saved, has taught over the years. This teaching reveals the facts about this massive deception. It powerfully exposes the deeds of darkness!Conscious Of Sin As A ChristianA small percentage of the many Scriptures that show a Christian, saved by grace, is to be sin conscious are as follows.Eight Stirring Passages From 1 TimothyAll throughout this epistle, Paul gave Timothy instructions to pass on to other Christians regarding how to ... Let's take a closer look at eight passages regarding the Christian battle and salvation that were basic in the days of first-century Christianity.How Will A Christian Die Because of Sin?Once saved always saved people say this death is physical death, while others say it is spiritual death, but let's compare Scripture with Scripture.Nine Reasons Why I Hate The Teaching Of Eternal SecurityRecently, I was asked on a radio show what compels me to oppose the teaching of eternal security (or once saved always saved) as I do. My answer in part was, "I hate the teaching of eternal security." This article gives nine good, Biblical reasons why this is so.Entrusted With The GospelIn the well known Parable of the Talents, we are clearly shown that the Christian is entrusted with the Lord's property and will one day give an account. This parable disproves once saved always saved doctrine.Premarital Safe Sex - Are Any Sexually Active Singles Really Safe?In part, the wickedness of our world (even in the present professing church) is reflected by its unbiblical views on premarital safe sex.2 Cor. 11:1-15 ExaminedAn extremely stirring section of Scripture is 2 Cor. 11:1-15. You can feel Paul's godly concerns and the dangers associated with those false teachers (and teachings) he was battling.Are You Sure There Are None That Are Righteous?This article came as the result of obeying the command to contend for the faith against those who change grace into a license for immorality (Jude 3,4). The once saved always saved proponents have been wrongly taught.Eternal Security Debate Challenge To David J. Stewart From Dan CornerMr. David J. Stewart, who believes in necromancy, is not only a staunch eternal security proponent, he has terribly slandered me (Dan Corner) and misrepresented our holiness-endurance salvation message. Folks, once saved always saved is wrong!The Command to Keep Away From ThemRom. 16:17,18 state, "I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people."Election and Eternal SecurityIs one forced to consider the Calvinistic understanding of election to properly know about eternal security or once saved always saved?Once Saved Always Saved Is Not An In House DebatePart of the message of the eternal security (or once saved always saved) teachers is that the disagreement between Christians who reject eternal security and those who hold to this security-in-sin gospel (a better way to identify the eternal security doctrine) is that it is an in house debate. Friends, be assured the once saved always saved debate clearly concludes with a conditional security for the believer in Christ.Do Eternal Security Proponents Really Believe In Eternal Security?The eternal security proponents don't really believe in eternal security as they adamantly teach, but they have never come to realize this fact.The Perseverance of the Saints Version of Eternal SecurityCalvinism is a total perversion of grace, how one gets saved, God's sovereignty, etc. But specifically related to eternal security (or once saved always saved), the fifth point of Calvinism dangerously downplays the seriousness of sin in the life of a believer and its version of eternal security is the most deceitful and inconsistent of the two. People who claim to believe in the eternal security of the believer are either ignorant or trying to confuse the issue, since eternal security is a heresy and has nothing to do with the believer in Christ.Enemies Of GodThe rampant teaching of eternal security continues to adversely affect multitudes. There are many ways a Christian can show once saved always saved is NOT Biblical.Unmasking John MacArthur's Calvinistic Version of Saving FaithMuch confusion centers around John MacArthur and his eternal security version of saving faith. Sadly, this man has created a great deception that has adversely affected true Christians about the believer's security. Some of the quotes will surely shock you. You may be surprised to learn that oftentimes MacArthur actually sounds as bad as Charles Stanley and Charles Ryrie.Eternal Security Is a License to SinPersonal testimony showing once saved always saved is a license to sin.Satan's Great Scheme (Copyright Evangelical Outreach 2001)Our cartoon depicts the present-day situation among eternal security teachers and the demonic influence upon them. Copyright Evangelical Outreach 2001 (however, for the sake of souls, this may be used in its entirety without any alterations or exclusions).The Eternal Security Time Bomb (Copyright, Evangelical Outreach, 2001)
Satan's Great Scheme (pdf)A blockbuster Christian cartoon depicting the serious adverse effects that the teaching of eternal security (or once saved always saved) had in one family. Copyright Evangelical Outreach 2001 (however, for the sake of souls, this may be used in its entirety without any alterations or exclusions).Is A Christian A Sinner?
Eternal Security Time Bomb (pdf)We have received many emails over the years from eternal security (or once saved always saved) people either stating that all Christians are sinners or that they must continue to sin all the time in this life. This article is written for the express purpose of shedding Biblical light on this subject.Ted Haggard's Sexual ImmoralityRecently, the immoral lifestyle of Ted Haggard, eternal security teacher, has been exposed before the whole world.Skull And Crossbones Awards For False Prophets And False TeachersThis is a listing of MANY false teachers who are adversely affecting SOULS. Most of the ones cited here believe in eternal security or once saved always saved.Whole Counsel Of GodHow is it possible for false doctrine to run rampant in a day with so many Bibles within easy reach? In part, it is because false teachers are convincingly presenting a partial truth as the whole truth and distorting its intended meaning.What's Wrong With The American Church?1 Corinthians 5:1-13 is a startling chapter which shows, in part, what is wrong with the American church of our day. Once saved always saved (eternal security) is the major problem in Bible believing circles.Testimonies Of Changed LivesTrue testimonies of lives changed or blessed by our materials. Many of these people used to believe in once saved always saved or eternal security.Somebody Has A Grossly Distorted View Of The ScripturesEternal security teachers are wrong in various areas of Scripture and not just regarding the subject of eternal security itself.The Real Importance of Obedience to GodAccording to today's version of grace, obedience to God is optional and, therefore, not even a priority for many. But is that the real truth or a lie from the devil, who is trying to damn your soul to Hell through false teachings, which come from the devil's servants?Hebrews Chapters 6 and 10Excerpted from our book, "The Believer's Conditional Security: Eternal Security Refuted." This will help you better understand those passages in the light of other ones.The Sinful Lifestyles Of The Eternal Security ProponentsTo say that a Christian can commit adultery and not be an adulterer is to teach both a deadly lie and a license for immorality at the same time, even though you might claim to reject eternal security! It only takaes one act of murder or adultery to be a bible-defined murderer or adulterer, according to Scripture. Once saved always saved is demonic.To Enter The Kingdom, You Must And You Must NotDo not be deceived by the various false teachers of our hour! There are things you MUST DO after getting "born again" to ENTER God's Paradise kingdom, according to Scripture. Do you know what they are?Bible QuestionsTest your knowledge of the Scriptures regarding the believer's security. Includes 233 questions regarding eternal security you probably have never considered. A great Bible study refuting once saved always saved! All relevant Bible verses are cited. [Make copies for your friends.]Worst Of Sinners (Romans 7:14-20)
Preguntas (Spanish)| RussianSometimes connected with the freedom in Christ message is Rom. 7:14-20: "We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." What is the Apostle Paul teaching? [Excerpted from our book, The Believer's Conditional Security: Eternal Security Refuted by Dan Corner.]AntinomianismThe word antinomianism comes from the Greek anti (against) and nomos (law). It refers to the doctrine that it is not necessary for Christians to obey the moral law. In other words, faith frees the Christian from such obligations.Suicide, A Quick Ticket To HellSuicide is commonly defined as the taking of one's own life. Tens of thousands of people a year in the United States alone commit this act. Many do that because they believe in once saved always saved!Taking The Scissors To 1 Cor. 15:2When the eternal security teachers refer to the gospel from 1 Cor. 15:1-4, they often make a point of avoiding verse 2! They usually do this by starting to read or write at verse 3 and just mentioning, in passing, the subject of Paul's gospel from verse 1. Why do you suppose those clear and powerful words from verse 2 are omitted?Did Jesus Teach Eternal Security (Or Perseverance Of The Saints)?If you're like most people, you'll be shocked to find out Jesus definitely did NOT teach once saved always saved! In fact, he was against eternal security.Unconditional Eternal Security Arguments Answered25 of the chief arguments for unconditional eternal security (or once saved always saved) are examined and answered. Hundreds of eternal security proponents, including some Reformed apologists, have read this first book written by Dan Corner. It has never been refuted with Scripture, nor can it be, though some have made a feeble attempt! [Please also see the information on his new 801 page book entitled, The Believer's Conditional Security -- the most exhaustive refutation to once saved always saved that has ever been written!]The first book includes the most common arguments and proof texts used by the perseverance of the saints teachers -- solidly refuting them with Scripture; fourteen Biblical examples of people who once had a saving faith but later lost it; seventeen important safeguards to keep this from happening to you and your loved ones, and much more!Read a sample chapter from our 121 page book against eternal security:Some Mail We Received Regarding Eternal SecurityActual letters for and against eternal security (or once saved always saved).Open letters to influential religious leaders who teach a license for immorality
Charles StanleyDid Judas Iscariot Lose His Salvation
Hank Hanegraaff (of Christian Research Institute, or CRI) Dave Hunt David Servant (NOT his real name!) David WilkersonOnce saved always saved proponents face many difficult passages of Scripture, that is, difficult for them because they clearly contradict their treasured and beloved doctrine. The contradictions from Scripture concerning their teaching exist either by specific example or simple declaration pertaining to this subject. Regarding examples that contradict eternal security, perhaps the Apostle Judas Iscariot is most difficult for them.Wesley's PerseveranceJohn Wesley had a foundation in Greek, Hebrew and Latin, preached approximately 40,000 sermons and traveled 225,000 miles, mostly on horseback. The number of works he wrote, translated or edited exceeds 200. This article on the fifth point of Calvinism is essential reading for every Christian.Eternal Security: False Reformed TheologyTestimony of a man (Wayne) set free from the false Reformed theology of eternal security.Sign up for Internet Church
The Acid Test
Do you want proof that eternal security (once saved always saved) leads to criminal acts? Here it is! Read it for yourself from a prisoner. The following are his exact words:I have enjoyed reading The Believer's Conditional Security. It has answered a lot of questions that I have had in the past and even now. It explains to me how I ended up here in prison - wrong theology. It has made me open up the Bible more and study it more intently ...Besides that, there was George Sodini, a once saved always saved proponent, who murdered 3 women then himself. He was DECEIVED INTO THINKING that even murder would not negate his salvation. There is no doubt that our society would be a much better place WITHOUT the false gospel and counterfeit grace message of eternal security!
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